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    Honestly, this is the best reason to get an iOS device I have seen yet:

    http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/04/c...ess-games-to/#

    Free streaming NCAA tourney App from CBS.

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    It's the difference between Ford naming their new car the "Edge", and saying that it has a "Prescient steering wheel". One is giving the product a name, the other is hyping a feature by using a pointless buzzword. Make no mistake though, it's smart on Apple's part, because people fall for that kind of hype hook, line, and sinker. Retina display. Like it's made of human eyes or something.
    Evo!

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    lol at the suckers who buy into apples products and marketing schemes...

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    It's an interesting phenomena this tablet/phone thing. A lot of my friends buy a new iphone/ipad every year it comes out. It's crazy IMO. They say 'i'm a tech guy'. no mofo, you are an addict to technology and it's nothing to be proud of.

    I have my iphone 3g from 3 years ago and fixed it myself 4 times already (broken glass, lcd, headphonejack,etc) I really don't see the need to upgrade every year.

    Thus I am not a fan of Apple and their strategy. Also not a fan of the fact they lock down the Operating System. Crazy. I will buy a tablet where you can install any OS you want and pretty much do anything with the hardware. That is my dream tablet. I will not buy a locked down tablet. Especially one that does not play Flash

    btw, any chances of that dream tablet coming out?
    I've had three of the four iphones (not the 3Gs), but the ONLY reason I've upgraded every time is because I've been able to unlock the previous phone, and sell it on on ebay for more than my new one costs. I sold an unlocked 3g for 250, and the iphone 4 cost 199.

    So, it's not really costing money. It's not necessary, but a cool gadget that isn't costing anything to upgrade. So, why not?

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    What about HTC's incredibly inventive phone names? And let's not forget Samsung - CAPTIVATE! GALAXY!
    What buzzwords will do to people's sensibilities. Retina display. That's just hilarious.
    What's wrong with Captivate? Not everything can be as simple as Sphone. Or maybe HTC should just make Hphones? I mean, they have to call their products something. And actually, some smarmy corp name, beats the out of the ultimately narcissistic sounding Iphone.

    As far as the screen- Super AMOLED: Super Active Organic Light Emitting Diode. They could have called it the perception/retina/iris or cornea display. I wouldn't have cared if they did, but they didn't. Apple did.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is who cares either way? I could give a hoot what any of these companies name their products. If people are sheeple enough to get suckered in by a name than they deserve to.

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    Im confused about why its such a big deal that apple brings out a new iphone or ipad once year. HTC comes out with new every single month. If HTC gets in the tablet market they will come out with something every three months.

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    What's wrong with Captivate? Not everything can be as simple as Sphone. Or maybe HTC should just make Hphones? I mean, they have to call their products something. And actually, some smarmy corp name, beats the out of the ultimately narcissistic sounding Iphone.

    As far as the screen- Super AMOLED: Super Active Organic Light Emitting Diode. They could have called it the perception/retina/iris or cornea display. I wouldn't have cared if they did, but they didn't. Apple did.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is who cares either way? I could give a hoot what any of these companies name their products. If people are sheeple enough to get suckered in by a name than they deserve to.
    That is exactly what I was saying - they are both silly. Just like bagging on someone for buying Apple products because they have a slick marketing department while carrying around a laptop, tablet, and a smartphone while sporting a fauxhawk on their way home to an apartment with a ps3, xbox 360 and Wii.
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    That is exactly what I was saying - they are both silly. Just like bagging on someone for buying Apple products because they have a slick marketing department while carrying around a laptop, tablet, and a smartphone while sporting a fauxhawk on their way home to an apartment with a ps3, xbox 360 and Wii.


    Resorting to ad hominems in a discussion about tech.

    You so mad.


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    Resorting to ad hominems in a discussion about tech.

    You so mad.

    Umm, ok. That's pretty funny coming from you.

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    At the end of the day it doesn't matter what Apple calls their high resolution/high PPI screens, they could have called them anything and they still would have been amazingly popular, because of how they look.

    It's not like people are just falling for hype and buzzwords, it's not like synthetic blinker fluid, it's an amazing looking screen because of the high res/high ppi and because of how the display is now laid out, which brings the LCD closer to the front.

    I think one of the best compliments I ever got was a while back with some friends in the car on a fairly bright day I had my phone on and one of them said it looked fake, the other agreed. I could explain further if necessary.

    So if anything we'd have to be idiots to call it a 640x960 screen because it's more than that. It's a 640x960 screen that's 3.5 inches large and packs 326 PPI.

    Compared to say the EVO because I believe you have one, the RETINA DISPLAY has over 100 more PPI, which is why it looks so crisp.

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    Because you call it retina display instead of what it is... 640x960.
    This. "retina display" is just a marketing gimmick. The raw resolution and size of the screen will go a long way in determing picture quality.

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    This is silly... everybody uses marketing gimmicks... Bitlocker anyone?

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    It's not a gimmick, a gimmick is something that has no relevance or use. Apple would have been stupid to simply call it a 640x960 screen because the high pixel density makes it more than that.

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    I love how people who don't like Apple assumes that anybody who buys one is a blind sheep. People in the know understand that there is a reason Macs have blown up in design / video / music production circles, not to mention as a pop icon in public media. It's the same reason Apple has dominated the MP3 market and is still the major contender in the mobile phone / tablet market.

    It's good hardware coupled with good (and exclusive) software, but it's also marked up due to its aesthetic design, culture, and the fact that it has a frickin' Apple logo on it. It's like buying a BMW...you're paying for a good car, but don't fool yourself into thinking you're not paying for the logo, too.

    Are there cheaper alternatives? Sure. Apple doesn't pretend to be the only solution on the market. It just tries to be one of the nicest and most desirable, and that comes with a pricetag.

    Ultimately, Apple doesn't really care because their formula seems to have worked pretty well over the past 15 years.

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    Umm, ok. That's pretty funny coming from you.
    Right. Show me where I've been the one to start throwing out insults. I'll wait.

    I love how people who don't like Apple assumes that anybody who buys one is a blind sheep. People in the know understand that there is a reason Macs have blown up in design / video / music production circles, not to mention as a pop icon in public media. It's the same reason Apple has dominated the MP3 market and is still the major contender in the mobile phone / tablet market.
    Apple makes very solid, reliable, sexy products. If you know how to take advantage of their computers, they're a good investment. Most people don't, though, and buy them because they're trendy or they look good sitting on top of their Ikea furniture. You said it yourself: They're a pop icon.

    It's good hardware coupled with good (and exclusive) software, but it's also marked up due to its aesthetic design, culture, and the fact that it has a frickin' Apple logo on it. It's like buying a BMW...you're paying for a good car, but don't fool yourself into thinking you're not paying for the logo, too.
    That's a pretty solid example, although the difference between Apple's quality and the top-tier PC manufacturers is very slim now.

    It's not a gimmick, a gimmick is something that has no relevance or use. Apple would have been stupid to simply call it a 640x960 screen because the high pixel density makes it more than that.
    wat

    You just contradicted yourself.

    At the end of the day it doesn't matter what Apple calls their high resolution/high PPI screens, they could have called them anything and they still would have been amazingly popular, because it's Apple.
    Ftfy. Apple could advertise "Log" from Ren and Stimpy and sell them by the thousands to loyal denizens.

    I think one of the best compliments I ever got was a while back with some friends in the car on a fairly bright day I had my phone on and one of them said it looked fake, the other agreed. I could explain further if necessary.
    I've seen the iPhone 4 on numerous occasions in bright sunlight. It's still hard to read, just like any other LCD display. In decent conditions, the new AMOLED displays are better, IMO. Much brighter and more vivid. The iPhone 4 trends yellow and the colors are slightly muted by comparison.

    So if anything we'd have to be idiots to call it a 640x960 screen because it's more than that. It's a 640x960 screen that's 3.5 inches large and packs 326 PPI.
    So... you're saying they shouldn't call it a higher resolution because... it's a higher resolution?

    Compared to say the EVO because I believe you have one, the RETINA DISPLAY has over 100 more PPI, which is why it looks so crisp.
    TBH, I don't notice much of a difference between my screen and the iPhone's. That's not a knock on the iPhone's display at all, it's gorgeous, but so is the Evo's. I'm just baffled that for years people used 17" monitors that could only display 800x600 resolution with no problems, and all of a sudden a 4.3" display that has 480x800 is just blocky and pixelated. It doesn't make sense to me.
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    This is silly... everybody uses marketing gimmicks... Bitlocker anyone?
    Yep, which is exactly what I said earlier in the thread. I just find it funny that it's done so blatantly and people eat it up. A testament to the powers of Apple's marketing division.

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    That's a pretty solid example, although the difference between Apple's quality and the top-tier PC manufacturers is very slim now.
    True, but Apple still has one thing going for it and it alone: OS X. You can buy the nicest PC in the world, but you'll either be stuck dealing with Windows or hand-tailoring Linux.

    I know, I know....both of those operating systems still do their job admirably. Personally, I much prefer OS X / OS X Server, and Apple is smart not to virtualize or license out that software.

    As long as I can afford it, I'll take the hit on the wallet for my computer to run the way I like it to, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way.

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    True, but Apple still has one thing going for it and it alone: OS X. You can buy the nicest PC in the world, but you'll either be stuck dealing with Windows or hand-tailoring Linux.

    I know, I know....both of those operating systems still do their job admirably. Personally, I much prefer OS X / OS X Server, and Apple is smart not to virtualize or license out that software.

    As long as I can afford it, I'll take the hit on the wallet for my computer to run the way I like it to, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way.
    Have you used Windows 7? It's pretty damned incredible. XP was solid but bloated and didn't handle RAM as well as it should have. Vista was horribly bloated but a step in the right direction, just the wrong step. Windows 7 is an awesome OS. Like I said in the Gaming Rig thread, I boot in ~20 seconds from completely powered off. I have yet to see my computer slow down yet. Every program I open responds immediately -- though I haven't put photoshop on it yet. Point being, Windows 7 is an OS that can stand toe to toe with X without flinching, IMO. There are advantages to both, but OS X is nowhere near the selling point that it used to be, especially considering that Apple is now using Intel chips, meaning you're paying more for an even more similar product.

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    Have you used Windows 7? It's pretty damned incredible. XP was solid but bloated and didn't handle RAM as well as it should have. Vista was horribly bloated but a step in the right direction, just the wrong step. Windows 7 is an awesome OS. Like I said in the Gaming Rig thread, I boot in ~20 seconds from completely powered off. I have yet to see my computer slow down yet. Every program I open responds immediately -- though I haven't put photoshop on it yet. Point being, Windows 7 is an OS that can stand toe to toe with X without flinching, IMO. There are advantages to both, but OS X is nowhere near the selling point that it used to be, especially considering that Apple is now using Intel chips, meaning you're paying more for an even more similar product.
    He did say that each of the other OS options is great in their own rights. I know if the roles were reversed I wouldn't immediately switch either. Let's say that Win7 and OSX are equal (not a big leap or even a small step considering the vast improvement Win7 is over predecessors), that still isn't a very good reason to have to learn a new system. I would assume that as enterprises begin converting to Win7, apple users will begin using it at work, see that it is very good, Then and only then will they consider saving all that cash by buying a PC. Before you tell me that enterprises should have upgraded to Win7 already, take note: there are still a large amount of businesses using IE 6.

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    He did say that each of the other OS options is great in their own rights. I know if the roles were reversed I wouldn't immediately switch either. Let's say that Win7 and OSX are equal (not a big leap or even a small step considering the vast improvement Win7 is over predecessors), that still isn't a very good reason to have to learn a new system. I would assume that as enterprises begin converting to Win7, apple users will begin using it at work, see that it is very good, Then and only then will they consider saving all that cash by buying a PC. Before you tell me that enterprises should have upgraded to Win7 already, take note: there are still a large amount of businesses using IE 6.
    Oh, I wasn't attempting to debate the issue with him or convince him to "give Windows a shot". It was just a curiosity, to see if he'd used the latest from MS.

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    IMO Snow Leopard wasn't much of an improvement, I was disappointed. Windows 7 is great. But both are very, very solid. I work from home on OSX and have my PC next to it for surfing and such.

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    TBH, I think Windows 7 is great

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    Oh, I wasn't attempting to debate the issue with him or convince him to "give Windows a shot". It was just a curiosity, to see if he'd used the latest from MS.
    I admittedly haven't had a chance to play with Windows 7 much. Heard it is much improved though.

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    TBH, I think Windows 7 is great
    Well, you're welcome...'cause, ya know, it was kinda my idea.

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    So now you've resorted to changing quotes to make a point CH? Is that really the best you can do?

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