are you telling me NO one knew tim duncan and david robinson were going to be good players?
i am not saing that sean elliot and wades pickess were rigged
but comoe on you think peopel thought tim duncan was going to be a bust?
They will probably fine him but they can not suspend him, if they do everyone will be screaming that the fix is in for Miami to get to the finals. If Shaq went off like that he would not get suspended. I know Shaq got suspended last year after a regular season game for cursing but they would never do that in the playoffs not now Sheed will be there they can't get away with supending him.
The NBA is simply trying to find a way to promote their new stars, like Lebron, Carmelo, and Wade and so they are just willing to give them superstar status. Lots of the calls Wade gets are because people have built him up to be the second coming of MJ, but Wade is a great player, but he is not a superstar and I think it is an obvious marketing ploy by the NBA to try to get more interest in the game by promoting these kids who have not won anything and have not proven anything. The same thing is happening with Amare. I mean the guy is a freak and a potential stud, but he only knows how to score for himself and not for his team. Tim shows that is possible to get your numbers and still involve your teammates. Amare doesn't make any of his teammates better and that is why I don't think him or Wade will ever win championships, even with Shaq or Nash. You prove yourself by collecting championships and to my knowledge Amare, Wade, Lebron, and Carmelo don't have one to say they belong.
That post by TwoHandJam was one of the greastest posts that I have ever seen on this message board.
Cleveland sucked... thats why they got Lebron, if it was rigged, why have teams like New York/Boston/Chicago been bad for so long without getting any help.
And why in the world would they rig the lottery for the spurs??? because we are a big market team?? because everyone wants to watch the spurs??? makes alot of sense.
YES the Spurs have a mysterious benefactor rigging the lottery for us when dominant 7 footers are available.
Clubalien, kill yourself.
This year's playoffs have been the worst officiated that I can remember. I've watched a number of the series and I can't think of a single series where the calls were remotely consistent from game to game. , half the time the calls weren't even consistent from half to half. Rasheed may be on to something. , I think Van Gundy might have been on to something and that's why they leveled that fine on him so fast and hard. There was a stretch of several offensive fouls called on the Pistons last night that looked su iously like the three straight O fouls that the Spurs picked up during game 5.
With that said Rasheed shot his whole damn team in the foot. Look for him to foul out in the first 15 seconds tomorrow night.
Another reason it is unnecessary to rig the draft. Let Cleveland win the Lebron lottery. Does it matter if he develops there for 3 or 4 years and then signs 9-figures worth of endorsement deals to go to a big market?
And down goes Frazier! And down goes Frazier! And down goes Frazier!
Another champion goes down.
Detroit will never get out of game 6 now. What kind of idiot would bait the refs into making them lose a game, and therefore force the Game 7 that he says is all planned????
Well, now that clubalien has broken the code on this. I'll go ahead and tell you guys what I overheard at the Diamond Shamrock next to Holt Machinery. I think Peter's in there all the time.
The league rigged David Robinson's injury. They even drew a fake crack on the bone in pictures of the X-Rays shown in the newspaper. It was a big fake. That way, they would go from an elite team to a lottery team, in order to create a Championship team and pave the way for a Twin Tower marketing campaign.
At least I'm pretty sure that's what they were saying.
Still it's dumb to go Gangsta like that...
He's gonna get Sterned.
I totally agree that Miami is getting the same beneficial calls that LAL got when they were with Shaq. It is going to be very hard to get in a flow with all these bad calls going against any team who plays them. San Antonio is going to have to overcome the bad calls more than ever to win.
Little Napolean Stern demonstrated his frustration at Van Gundy's outburst of frustration, as each were only trying to protect their gigs. After the press slamed Strern for the way he and Jackson mishandled Van Gundy, it appears he would be more understanding of the type of pressure and frustration each the players and coaches are under, and be reasonable. But considering Wallace has a history, and Stern has a short fuse, I don't know what to expect. If Stern learned his lesson with Van Gundy, he just slaps 10K fine and walks away.Why would he get suspended? All Van Gundy got was like a 200,000 fine.
Artest went mad postal in Detroit and they actually thought about suspending him. He'll probably get a nice little fine and a couple bs fouls the next game.
What is so funny, is that the Rockets essentially paid Van Gundy's fine. The week after the fine, they extended him with a signing bonus more than enough to cover the cost of Stern's tantrum.
The Van Gundy contract was extended because they like what he's done with the team, and love that he stood up for his players the way he did. The contract was coming, fine or no fine.
Jeff was offered money from all over here, including offers from Mattress Mac (a big-time, big-deal furniture store owner who rolls in more money than God), Hilton of Hilton Furniture (Mattress Mac's compe ion and official sponsor of the Houston Rockets - also has wonderful deals on mattreses), and even Yao Ming offered to pay half (at least, that's what his translator said). He refused it all, and paid the fine.
Just an FYI.
Oh. And the officiating last night was horrifying in it's myopic one sided-ness. Rasheed is no Rhodes scholar, but he's dead on accurate. He was shut down by bad calls on him specifically, hence the low point total. I also expect they'll get the calls in Detriot to send it to a game 7 to prove it's not fixed.
And yeah, the Spurs are going to get the end of the wishbone if (when) we play Miami. But being the better team, I expect they'll anticipate it and get over it. It's not like the calls went to Spurs in 2003 against the Lakers.
But this sort of inconsistent, bad calls, phantom calls, ticky tack calls, calls on plays that weren't called in the first half (and not because the refs didn't see them), is crap. And this is precisely why people buy into the NBA conspiracies. I am an educated, sane, rational, logical woman, and I still shake my head and wonder when I see this sort of bad officiating. In fact, one of the first thoughts that popped into my head after we won was, well, that sucks for Detriot - there's no way the NBA lets them win now! I laughed of course, but the substance of it has some merit when you see this sort of behavior from the refs with no consequences.
If you read my post, I stated about 5 years ago they stopped having the picking the lottery in front of everybody. Thus would negate duncan and robinson. Last I looked milwaukee's a pretty big city. If you analyze that just a little bit and realize if there is a chance to cheat where someone can't get caught who's to prove either way that there isn't something going on. Why change it the way it was if everybody could watch the balls being taken out?
You kinda answered my question, pretty convenient that the best player in the draft from his home town ends up with the first pick. Plus, did I say that the big markets always got the number one or that was the reason? No, I just stated that it could be a possible explanation.
First alien I would read a post before you respond.
I like that, someone who thinks for themself. I find alot more people like that at this forum then the espn forum. It's amazing when you watch a college game, and not all games are called perfectly but for the most part those games are called fairly. I mean come on what are the chances you call 3 offensive fouls consecutively on one team, when the other team does the same thing with no calls in two different conference finals when those fouls weren't called before.
Yep I expect a game 7, not because the players decide it, but because david stern wants to make more money. Expect Miami to win for ratings sake.
Ditto.
jk
So Jim, are you pounding the MIA ML?
Refs are screwing Detroit. Wait for these threads talking about a fix in the finals if Miami gets there.
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