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    Fitness Made Simple John Basedow's Avatar
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    No. Pop is. I'll make a wager with you if you'd like? Splitter has shown nice ability. You talking about Pop's coaching is laughable. 4 rings, *aggot. Remember. Took a team that looked dead and lead them to the best record in the league. Even if it is an inflated record (which you couldn't argue due to their SOS, win % against +500 teams, yada yada), it would still be an elite record.
    I won't bet on that. Pop will probably win and I'm not completely against that. I just feel that Thibs should win COY, but he won't for a couple reasons:

    1) Pop and the Spurs
    2) Derrick Rose will get the MVP (garnering all the Bulls' media attention).


    Spurs likely aren't beating LA with or without Tiago. Would I like to see Tiago play? Sure. But I also understand that we aren't going to have a better front line than LA even with him, so you have to beat them another way: Get hot from 3 and spread the floor. Is it a strategy that you can rely on? Nope, but it is the right thing to do. It is how you can beat LA.
    You just contradicted yourself in the very next sentence. Developing Tiago earlier in the year would've made him more comfortable in the system, helped his conditioning, and given him time to learn the NBA game. Without all that you will have a nervous big coming off the bench in the playoffs and likely getting into foul trouble. It's an age-old addage, but "you can't coach size."

    Relying on penetration and kick-out to help you get past the Lakers is not the right thing to do. Unfortunately for you--because of Pop's stubbornness--it's now the ONLY thing they can do.

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    I'm not saying that Monty sucks or does not suck. I'm not saying that Thornton can help a winning team or not.

    You are uncertain that Thornton could contribute to a winning team. You also believe that it is laughable that Thornton wasn't given playing time on a winning team. I am trying to understand how one could believe the former and the latter at the same time.
    Because they aren't mutually exclusive like you are trying to make it out to be. Not knowing, and not deserving a chance to prove it are two different things entirely. That is how.

    Monty does suck. You can say it.

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    I won't bet on that. Pop will probably win and I'm not completely against that. I just feel that Thibs should win COY, but he won't for a couple reasons:

    1) Pop and the Spurs
    2) Derrick Rose will get the MVP (garnering all the Bulls' media attention).
    Well than Pop is the COY like I said and you'd be wrong




    You just contradicted yourself in the very next sentence. Developing Tiago earlier in the year would've made him more comfortable in the system, helped his conditioning, and given him time to learn the NBA game. Without all that you will have a nervous big coming off the bench in the playoffs and likely getting into foul trouble. It's an age-old addage, but "you can't coach size."

    Relying on penetration and kick-out to help you get past the Lakers is not the right thing to do. Unfortunately for you--because of Pop's stubbornness--it's now the ONLY thing they can do.
    It is the right thing to do, because (and I am a huge Tiago fan) even if Tiago would have played all year, the Spurs front line would not out do the Lakers'. They can't beat LA by trying to match up with them spot for spot, the only chance is to run and gun and play some defense. That is what they do.

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    Popovich could take lessons from coach Thibs on developing a big man over the course of a season. Omer Asik started out a flat out rookie scrub his first couple of months. He was a soft finisher at the rim and made dumb fouls often from being out of position. Despite all that Thibs kept giving him consistent playing time on the 2nd unit throughout the season and he's made tremendous improvement and learned how to play "big" in the NBA. Now he's altering and blocking shots, dunking with authority in the paint, and hustles for everything. Asik's confidence is up and he gives the Bulls depth if Noah or Taj get in foul trouble. I no longer cringe when he comes in the game.
    Good points. Asik looked like a complete euro- for most of the year--and at times he still does--but Thibs gave him valuable minutes, even while chasing a conference crown and it's paid dividends. He gives the Bulls good minutes and will only improve. Pop had no reason not to do this with Splitter--especially since he's had a more comfortable lead in the standings too.

    Yet another reason why Thibs would get my vote if I had one.

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    Bulls having the first seed in the East = Thibs coach of the year. The Spurs aren't finishing as strong as they should.

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    Well than Pop is the COY like I said and you'd be wrong






    It is the right thing to do, because (and I am a huge Tiago fan) even if Tiago would have played all year, the Spurs front line would not out do the Lakers'. They can't beat LA by trying to match up with them spot for spot, the only chance is to run and gun and play some defense. That is what they do.
    The Spurs can play penetrate and kickout all day, but why not have a couple reliable low-post options? The 3's have a tendency not to fall over a 7 game series. These are facts.

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    Bulls having the first seed in the East = Thibs coach of the year. The Spurs aren't finishing as strong as they should.
    Plus Thibs is doing this while competing with 2 (maybe 3) other elite teams in his conference. The Spurs only threat in the West is LA.

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    and Thibs is not coaching playoff-tested 3-time champs...He's got youth at all positions, and has had to deal with lenghty injuries to Booz and Noah. Pop's boys have been injury-free till lately

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    Well than Pop is the COY like I said and you'd be wrong
    That remains to be seen.

    You never cave in, no matter how wrong you are. I love you, man. No .

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    Okay, I'll say it: Monty sucks for not playing Thornton. I have been critical of him for the entire season for not playing Thornton, so it's not like I was ever on his side on this matter to begin with.

    How many players "deserve" a chance anyway? Look at almost every team in the league, and you will find fans complaining that a player whom they think can change the game isn't getting a fair shot. Look at playoff teams, too. The difference between you and me is that I think Thornton can contribute to a winning team. That's why I don't like Monty's rotations. That's why I don't like him that much as a coach.

    Do you think all coaches who don't give players--whose contributions to the team is questionable--chances are bad? That's the last question I'll ask you on this matter.

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    Okay, I'll say it: Monty sucks for not playing Thornton. I have been critical of him for the entire season for not playing Thornton, so it's not like I was ever on his side on this matter to begin with.

    How many players "deserve" a chance anyway? Look at almost every team in the league, and you will find fans complaining that a player whom they think can change the game isn't getting a fair shot. Look at playoff teams, too. The difference between you and me is that I think Thornton can contribute to a winning team. That's why I don't like Monty's rotations. That's why I don't like him that much as a coach.

    Do you think all coaches who don't give players chances are bad? That's the last question I'll ask you on this matter.
    DPG got you to cave too quickly. You must learn patience. He is wise.

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    Scola and Bosh are putting in work so far.

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    DPG got you to cave too quickly. You must learn patience. He is wise.
    Here's a post I made in the Landry-Thornton trade topic.

    Because Monty Williams doesn't think he fits on the team. Monty thinks that Thornton is a defensive liability, which is re ed because (a) Willie Green and Marco Belinelli suck at defense just as much and (b) Marco Belinelli provides nothing on offense.

    Marcus Thornton was a valuable scoring option that Monty seldom used for stupid reasons. He is far better than those two scrubs. For a team that is terrible offensively, it is re ed that Monty refused to play Thornton.

    Please, stop making stupid assumptions.
    DPG didn't get me to cave, because I already thought Monty was re ed for not playing Thornton.

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    Thornton should have been the 6th man, but Belinelli is the better fit as the starter.

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    Thornton should have been the 6th man, but Belinelli is the better fit as the starter.
    Meh, I would rather have Thornton start.

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    Meh, I would rather have Thornton start.
    Its debatable, but Marco is a better fit in the starting lineup since he shoots the 3s better, decent ball-handler/passer, and probably a better defender with his height. Thornton would have been a great scoring option off the bench and at the end of games.

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    Rockets gettin' wise guyed out of this game.

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    rockets at heat, fun game to watch

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    Rockets are getting hosed this quarter by the refs.

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    Oh well, we got ed but they didn't quit. Somebody really needs to up Wade's knee or something

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    not a big deal for the rockets really. teams are wrestling the 8th seed only to get curbstomped by the spurs in the first round. as a rebuilding team the rockets better set their goals on the future years, they have some talented youths and dependable s, and will get much better next season if they can make some good use of the 18m cap space the coming summer

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