American Hostage Found Beheaded

[KoriEllis]

For Mrs.Spurminator's sake, I hope so.

[xrayzebra]

Yep Kori you are right. It is terrible that people who go
over there to help the Iraq's and make a living are giving
their lives. And it is not going to stop. Look at Israel.
Israel has tried to live in that part of the world since 1948
and the Muslim countries have attempted to "evict" them
since then. Never mind that Syria has also taken some of
the Palestinians territory, and never returned it. It is all
Israel fault. someone, somehow has to stop the junk going on.
The Christian world has learned to live with other religions,
but it seems the Muslim world has not, with few exceptions.
Turkey being one of the exceptions.

[Joe Chalupa]

I still haven't seen evidence that Iraq or Saddam was responsible for 9/11.
That being said.....ahhh, never mind.

[Joe Chalupa]

I read more about Al Queda PRIOR to 9-11 than most people could ever read in their life.

Not to be an a-hole, but I never read that Al Queda was linked to Iraq prior to 9/11, but I could be wrong
Well, unless it was coming from the current administration.

But that's just me and again, I COULD BE WRONG.

Peace!

[KoriEllis]

I first read it in the early 90's. Go to the library and research Al-Queda/Bin Laden and funding, training, etc. Look at do ents, articles from 1992 all the way up to 9-11. There's a lot of connections to Iraq.

[Nbadan]

Also, to think that Iraq/Saddam doesn't have connections with Al Queda is ridiculous

Yeah, i don't think Kori meant to associate Saddam with 911, but with Al-Queda. Either way, Kori must know that Saddam murdered two prominent Shiite Clerics, not something that seems to associate Saddam with Islamic fundamentalism.

[xrayzebra]

NBADan. You really do live in your own little world, don't
you. Dictator.....d i c t a t o r.......you know the meaning
of the word. That is the Middle East, stupid. They kill
anyone who opposes them.

[KoriEllis]

Sorry, I have to back out of this conversation. I get very emotionally obsessed with this subject and it gets to me too much.

Prior to 9-11, I was very adamant about the U.S. needing to stop Bin Laden before something drastic happened here. I talked to people (military/gov't/etc) about it every chance I got. On the night of September 10th, I was at a friend's house who happens to be Special Ops. I was screaming (yes literally) at the top of my lungs that we needed to kill Bin Laden before he did something here in America. So you can imagine how sickened I was when I turned on the tv the next morning. When people were speculating who was responsible, I "knew". I had an incredible "guilt" (yeah, I know it's stupid, but you can't deny your emotions) about 9-11. I felt like I should have done something to stop it. Yes I know that's ridiculous.

I can't imagine how people feel who actually had serious knowledge ... I was just a woman who read too much and I felt that way. Anyway, I have reasons for steering clear of this forum. I think that it's great that you guys converse/discuss/argue here so much. The more aware people become the better. I read almost all the threads, but I just can't handle posting in here that much.

Anyway, carry on ...

[Tommy Duncan]

When were those clerics killed? Try again.

[Yonivore]

Okay, who said there was no Iraqi/al Qaeda connection and that there were no al Qaeda terrorists in Iraq before the coalition invasion?

Colin Powell, to the U.N. in February of 2003:

"What I want to bring to your attention today is the potentially much more sinister nexus between Iraq and the Al Qaeda terrorist network, a nexus that combines classic terrorist organizations and modern methods of murder. Iraq today harbors a deadly terrorist network headed by Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, an associated in collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda lieutenants."

"Zarqawi, a Palestinian born in Jordan, fought in the Afghan war more than a decade ago. Returning to Afghanistan in 2000, he oversaw a terrorist training camp. One of his specialities and one of the specialties of this camp is poisons. When our coalition ousted the Taliban, the Zarqawi network helped establish another poison and explosive training center camp. And this camp is located in northeastern Iraq."

The same guy hacking hostage up.

[Tommy Duncan]

*please wait while danny consults paranoid left wing site for answer*

[Yonivore]

Invading Iraq wasn't just about Weapons of Mass Destruction.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Kori,

Thanks for sharing. I don't feel I have all the answers, just that I have taken classes on terrorism as well as Islam itself, and it appears some people are too short-sighted due to political motives to grasp the big picture.

As a buddy of mine (Special Forces) has told anyone who would listen, Osama and Al Qaeda have been at war with the USA since 1992, it's just that it took 9/11 for people to realize it.

Saddam and AQ had a working partnership, whether or not you want to admit it is probably more a function of your political views than anything.

There were some who knew Osama was fixing to lash out, they were just ignored by the majority of the fedral bureaucracy, because too many of those people were still stuck in the mindset of the Cold War (and continued to be until 9/11 happened).

Probably the only good thing to happen on 9/11 was that it woke up a lot of people in the government who seriously needed it.

Hopefully I'll be joining them soon, this is a fight that we have to win. Not to prove George Bush right. But so that my children, my grandchildren, and even the children of idiots like Dan can live a free life.

[Nbadan]

And this camp is located in northeastern Iraq."

This alleged camp was located in Kurd controlled area. Please do your homework.

[Nbadan]

The same guy hacking hostage up

There is no proof that Zarqawi is even in Iraq much less beheading hostages.

[Nbadan]

Invading Iraq wasn't just about Weapons of Mass Destruction.

The threat of WMD was used by the administration to mislead people, including the Senate and Congress, into thinking that Iraq was a 'clear and immediate threat'.

[Nbadan]

As a buddy of mine (Special Forces) has told anyone who would listen, Osama and Al Qaeda have been at war with the USA since 1992, it's just that it took 9/11 for people to realize it.

Did your buddy also tell you that Usama had been on the CIA payroll until at least 1990? Usama declared war on the west when the U.S. stationed troops in Saudi Arabia during Gulf War 1.

[Nbadan]

Hopefully I'll be joining them soon, this is a fight that we have to win. Not to prove George Bush right. But so that my children, my grandchildren, and even the children of idiots like Dan can live a free life.

I guess this is only fair since it's our children who will be paying for this fiasco for year to come.

[Tommy Duncan]

Usama declared war on the west when the U.S. stationed troops in Saudi Arabia during Gulf War 1.

Right, which is after the US assissted bin Ladin and the mujhadeen in defeating the USSR in Afghanistan and after the US drove Hussein out of Kuwait and put itself between Hussein and the Saudis.

[Joe Chalupa]

There is no doubt that Osama Bin Laden needs to be found if he is dead or alive.

Getting rid of Saddam was a good thing.

But there has been no link established between Saddam and 9/11. Many are convinced there was, I am not.

I just want the elections in Iraq to be a success in January so that the Iraqi people can move on and we can get out.

[xrayzebra]

Aggie, you are right on all counts. The rest of the butt
holes who want admit what is right before their eyes will
get the benefits of those like you and others who are
going over their.

They keep contending their was no WMD, but of course
Hussin killed all those people with "RAID"!!!!. What a
bunch of dummies in this world.

[SpursWoman]

That's the problem, Joe. People are demanding to see evidence that Saddam was connected to 9/11, but from everything I've read, that was never really even considered....it was Saddam's connection to terrorism in general.

This is a war on terrorism, not a war to avenge 9/11. A war against them, people who finance them, and people who harbor them.

Why does it seem a lot of people have a difficult time distinguishing between the two? The US and other countries around the world are suffering terrorist attacks. 9/11 was not the only one, obviously. Bush's hopes was to end them everywhere.

Maybe the road to is paved with good intentions, but ignoring it isn't going to work, either.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Forget it Dan, it's too far over your head.

Our children won't be paying "for this fiasco", if we don't nip this in the bud now they will be facing more devastating 9/11s and radical fundamentalists trying make this entire planet one nation, one religion.

Saddam had the same aspirations as Osama, he just didn't yet have the nukes to pull it off.

Saddam, Osama, Zarqawi, Zawahari, the leaders of JI in Asia, Khomeini in Tehran, Sadr, Assad, they all have the same aspirations - to be the "next" Mohammed and be the ruler of the Muslim nation, and that nation to stretch completely around the world, from Australia to Russia to Europe to Asia to the Americas.

Unfortunately you're such a small-minded short-sighted contrarian you'll never get it until God forbid the day (because it means we will have lost) some terrorist knocks on your door, points a gun at your head, and tells you to either pledge allegiance to Allah or take one between the eyes.

[Nbadan]

Right, which is after the US assissted bin Ladin and the mujhadeen in defeating the USSR in Afghanistan and after the US drove Hussein out of Kuwait and put itself between Hussein and the Saudis.

Well, the U.S. was looking after everyone's best interests including their own by stationing troops in Saudi Arabia. However, protecting the Saudi royal family is kinda like feeding the hand that ultimately feeds the monster.

[Tommy Duncan]

Right, now did UBL want Hussein to attack the Saudis? Did he not fight the USSR in Afghanistan?

As for the Saudi Royal Family the US government has maintained that relationship for decades. It's not hard to understand why.