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  1. #51
    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    Of course it's a choke. How many times did the Spurs the bed in the fourth quarter this series, not to mention the last month of the regular season?

  2. #52
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    Of course it's a choke. How many times did the Spurs the bed in the fourth quarter this series, not to mention the last month of the regular season?
    Precisely.

    Its not like the Spurs were getting blown out. The Spurs always HAD a chance to close it out but the Grizzlies got the best out of them when it mattered the most.

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    they could have just missed the playoffs a couple years, too.
    Yep, yall should know.... even that worked out... we got bynum because of it ...you guys got duncan and Robinson the last time you tried it ...

    You guys have 2 playoff victories to show for a great season ...

  4. #54
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    2003.

    Dirk was ting all over the Spurs before he got injured. Just another lucky break by San Antonio.
    this.

    And meeting the Nets in the Finals. Without that injury the Mavs get their ring allready in 2003. Too bad.

    And why are the 11 Grizzlies better than the 07 Warriors? The Warriors had a great late season run to push into the #8 spot und went red-hot in the playoffs. And it was a horrible guard matchup for the Mavs, same with the bigmen matchup for the Spurs.

    It was the same "choke job". I prefer to say "bad/worst possible matchup and matchup importance >>> seeding

  5. #55
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    When you are ousted in the 1st round, you didn't choke, you were exposed. Choking happens at a much higher level.

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    When you are ousted in the 1st round, you didn't choke, you were exposed. Choking happens at a much higher level.
    I agree with this.

    San Antonio went 2-2 vs Memphis, Dallas went 0-3 against Golden State in 2007 (only team in the NBA they didn't beat atleast once).

    So SA's overall record shouldn't matter when they play Memphis, they went .500 against Memphis and 59-19 against the rest of the league. Only the .500 record matters.

    Same with Dallas, they went 67-12 against the rest of the NBA but were 0-3 against GS and that's the only record that matters. That's why I don't see these as huge upsets.

    I'm pretty surprised we don't see more 1 vs 8 upsets

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    1st seed with HCA losing to an 8th without their best player is a choke anyway you spin it. In fact, it's a choke, gag, and vomit.

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    1st seed with HCA losing to an 8th without their best player is a choke anyway you spin it. In fact, it's a choke, gag, and vomit.
    Unfortunately for you, no one thinks so.

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    Bad mismatch, plain and simple.

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    Anytime you give a team that long in advance to plan it's trouble. They targeted you, and went to work 24/7 in preparation. They knew you were locked at 1 and a sitting duck.

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    Anytime you give a team that long in advance to plan it's trouble. They targeted you, and went to work 24/7 in preparation. They knew you were locked at 1 and a sitting duck.
    The Spurs weren't that good. That was the real problem.

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    Unfortunately for you, no one thinks so.
    Maybe someday mom will let you out uf the fishbowl.

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    O & 44!!! Now, go back &
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    The Spurs weren't that good. That was the real problem.
    But, Memphis was dialed in. Their entire on court demeanor was precise and dedicated. Hollins struck a fresh template and his team followed it to the letter, never deviating from it an iota. It was impressive.

    Spurs were fine. You just got worked by Hollins who got a brainstorm sittin' around one night and implemented it.

    The proof will be in the pudding here in this OKC series. If the Grizz come out helter skelter, same old , oriental fire drill then we'll know for sure.

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    But, Memphis was dialed in. Their entire on court demeanor was precise and dedicated. Hollins struck a fresh template and his team followed it to the letter, never deviating from it an iota. It was impressive.

    Spurs were fine. You just got worked by Hollins who got a brainstorm sittin' around one night and implemented it.

    The proof will be in the pudding here in this OKC series. If the Grizz come out helter skelter, same old , oriental fire drill then we'll know for sure.
    Do you think the Spurs could have beaten OKC or LA?

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    Do you think the Spurs could have beaten OKC or LA?
    Considering the default of beating Memphis, sure. We're each operating in separate vacuums:::you at loss for the Spurs....me at victory for the Spurs. You're too vested to see past your total loss & grief. I'm not so shackled.

    Blair would've come in handy Vs. Perkins. It would've been his spot, his moment.

    Everything the Spurs tried, all their tricks, configurations and machinations were met at the level by Memphis. They were always one half step ahead. Every time the Spurs turned around the Grizz were there looking eye, it was nothing personal, strictly business, that detached coldness of assurance borne of preparation. That gets frustrating for a team used to little resistance to their choice protocol.

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    Perkins would have beat up Blair and took his lunch money.

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    I'm pretty surprised we don't see more 1 vs 8 upsets
    That's because most 1 seeds aren't massive bed ting, chokers.

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    That's because most 1 seeds aren't massive bed ting, chokers.
    Transparent.

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    Considering the default of beating Memphis, sure. We're each operating in separate vacuums:::you at loss for the Spurs....me at victory for the Spurs. You're too vested to see past your total loss & grief. I'm not so shackled.

    Blair would've come in handy Vs. Perkins. It would've been his spot, his moment.

    Everything the Spurs tried, all their tricks, configurations and machinations were met at the level by Memphis. They were always one half step ahead. Every time the Spurs turned around the Grizz were there looking eye, it was nothing personal, strictly business, that detached coldness of assurance borne of preparation. That gets frustrating for a team used to little resistance to their choice protocol.
    shaddupa

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    Perkins would have beat up Blair and took his lunch money.
    How do you think Kobe had to ask Vanessa for his again?

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    How do you think Kobe had to ask Vanessa for his again?
    I don't understand the correlation.

  22. #72
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    I agree with this.

    San Antonio went 2-2 vs Memphis, Dallas went 0-3 against Golden State in 2007 (only team in the NBA they didn't beat atleast once).

    So SA's overall record shouldn't matter when they play Memphis, they went .500 against Memphis and 59-19 against the rest of the league. Only the .500 record matters.

    Same with Dallas, they went 67-12 against the rest of the NBA but were 0-3 against GS and that's the only record that matters. That's why I don't see these as huge upsets.

    I'm pretty surprised we don't see more 1 vs 8 upsets
    The East is very weak from 4 through 8. It would be borderline impossible for a 1st seed to drop to an 8ith seed. Serious injuries would have to happen first.

    So that automatically removes half of the chances.

    I don't think the opportunity for these kinds of matchups come along that often. It happened with Dallas and then this year. A lot of teams have their match up nightmares against even bottom rung teams. The odds of it being an 8th vs the 1st are not very good.

    I think if Manu and Tim do not get injured, Hollins does not tank to get the 8th seed.

  23. #73
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    Considering the default of beating Memphis, sure. We're each operating in separate vacuums:::you at loss for the Spurs....me at victory for the Spurs. You're too vested to see past your total loss & grief. I'm not so shackled.

    Blair would've come in handy Vs. Perkins. It would've been his spot, his moment.

    Everything the Spurs tried, all their tricks, configurations and machinations were met at the level by Memphis. They were always one half step ahead. Every time the Spurs turned around the Grizz were there looking eye, it was nothing personal, strictly business, that detached coldness of assurance borne of preparation. That gets frustrating for a team used to little resistance to their choice protocol.
    Solid take. I think SA would lose to LA given the injuries however.

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    It doesn't matter if the team that chokes has a ring or not, when you're the number 1 seed, you shouldn't lose to the 8th seed. If Hollinger says the Spurs aren't chokers then what about the 2004 Yankees or the 2010 Boston Bruins who blew 3-0 leads in a a best of 7 series?

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    You a-holes managed to bring up the 07 Pats AND last years Bruins in this thread. F all of you.

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