The objective assessment

[jjktkk]

I was here a good chunk of the year. I only left for awhile because it was getting redundant arguing with the likes of you & Chumpdumper. I told you back then the way Pop was handling Splitter's role on the team would eventually blow up in his face, and I was right. You've got a lot of nerve calling out my fandom, but I would expect nothing less from an arrogant prick such as yourself.

Or maybe the reason you stayed away was how hollow it sounds repeating the Pop's an idiot chant when the Spurs were racing away with the best record, but its alot easier to sound off when the Spurs flamed out in the playoffs.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Since when did you ever provide x's and o's? You constantly and moan about the Spur's roster. Name a Bowen replacement the Spurs can realistically get. And while your trying to come up with something substantial, throw in some bigs with size, and shock blocking ability as well that the Spurs can realistically obtain.

You guys were too busy sucking Pop off during the Memphis series to notice. Amongst other things, these were discussed:

* Mayo getting open jumper after open jumper because Pop was having Tony go under the pick every play. That didn't change all series.

* Not playing Blair and Bonner together on the court at the same time

* Poor spacing on offense for the Spurs contributing to the lack of open threes

* Not using Tim in the low post

* Running pick and roll with Bonner and George Hill

* Not running pick and roll with Manu and Splitter when they've shown that works pretty damn well.

It's late and that's all I feel like hitting on tonight, sure others will chime in.

[admiralsnackbar]

You provided the rope...

Bowen exited because Pop shoved him out the door. Horry left because he was sick of Pop's stupid smallball lineups. Splitter's raw because Pop refused to play him during the season. Pop abandoned defense for smallball when he had the personnel to do something about it. Pop abandoned Bowen's defense for offense when he had the personnel to do something about it. Pop went to a fun and gun offensive strategy when he had the personnel to do something about it. The only thing he's done "on the fly" is abandon those ideas for defense when everything went to in the playoffs, and always, too late.

popsucking stupid ass.

Remind us again how old Bowen and Horry were when they were so disgusted by Pop's shenanigans that they left the NBA entirely.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We got exposed in the second half on our rebounding and then played Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol. Strength on weakness.

[Obstructed_View]

Who provides you with NBA related info, the little old lady in your apartment complex? Bowen and Horry both retired after they left the Spurs. If they were forced out by the Spurs, why didn't they catch on with another team Nostradumbass?

Bowen got benched in the playoffs in favor of Michael Finley. What does his retirement have to do with it? Horry was sick of smallball before he left the Spurs. What does his retirement have to do with it?

[Obstructed_View]

Remind us again how old Bowen and Horry were when they were so disgusted by Pop's shenanigans that they left the NBA entirely.

When was Bowen so disgusted by Pop's shenanigans that he left the NBA?

[Obstructed_View]

OMFG....y'all made your point already... time and time and time again. You think Pop sucks. we get it. and anyone with a differing opinion sucks. I get that too.

what do expect anyone on this forum to do. we're not the GM.... and neither are you. Its just sports... quit being such an asshole... obsructed view.

OP: I'm really objective. Pop's awesome. It's not his fault.
Response: But Pop built the team.
OP: I'm still really objective, and I'm just expressing my opinion. all of you mother ers. You're not in the NBA. Why are you being so mean to me?
Response: That's an objective opinion?
OP: in who cares? Strawman strawman. You don't know who I am.
Response: Here are the decisions that Pop made and the result of those decisions in the playoffs. Try to look at it objectively.
OP: I get it, I get it. You just hate Pop and you hate free speech. Quit being an asshole.

Sorry that presenting facts violates your objective sensibilities.

[purist]

Sorry that presenting facts violates your objective sensibilities.

LOL. funny how when you present information, it's FACT. when someone of a differing perspective presents information, it's OPINION.

Just my opinionated factual observation.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

The bottom line is that Tim has been in need of another real 7-footer since 2005 and the Spurs FO and Pop haven't done it yet.

Yes, 2006 could have been but it didn't happen, 2007 happened because realistically the Cavs only had Lebron and TP was playing out of his mind but honestly, the last big who had any impact alongside Tim was Nazr. Oberto did ok in 2007 but again the Cavs couldn't overcome that.

So again, unless they fix this situation with the bigs the Spurs won't be able to overcome the good bigger teams.

[Obstructed_View]

LOL. funny how when you present information, it's FACT. when someone of a differing perspective presents information, it's OPINION.

Just my opinionated factual observation.

You: . I think he knew the team was not built like teams of old, so he chose not to try to fit a square peg into a round hole, but instead he tried to keep the team compe ive enough to give an aging superstar another chance at a run.

You are guessing what the motivations were, therefore, opinion. Starting sentences with "I think" typically is a giveaway.

Me: The whole notion of "work with what you've got" goes out the window when you realize that Pop didn't play Splitter the entire season and didn't have him ready for the playoffs anyway

Splitter was on the team all season (it can be verified). Splitter was given DNP/CDs from Pop throughout the season when he was healthy. He didn't get any extra time in preparation for the playoffs. Fact.

[Cessation]

gnsf running amok in this thread

[jjktkk]

Sorry that presenting facts violates your objective sensibilities.

What facts? Show me the Bowen quote that he was sick of Pop's shenanagans? When the NBA changed the hand check rule and Bowen's gradual decline due to age, thats what led to Bowens exit and his eventual retirement. You think if Bowen was able to physically, he would of loved to prove Pop wrong, that he was still a force defensively. Same with Horry.

[jjktkk]

The bottom line is that Tim has been in need of another real 7-footer since 2005 and the Spurs FO and Pop haven't done it yet.

Yes, 2006 could have been but it didn't happen, 2007 happened because realistically the Cavs only had Lebron and TP was playing out of his mind but honestly, the last big who had any impact alongside Tim was Nazr. Oberto did ok in 2007 but again the Cavs couldn't overcome that.

So again, unless they fix this situation with the bigs the Spurs won't be able to overcome the good bigger teams.

True. The hope is that Splitter can be that guy.

[Obstructed_View]

What facts? Show me the Bowen quote that he was sick of Pop's shenanagans? When the NBA changed the hand check rule and Bowen's gradual decline due to age, thats what led to Bowens exit and his eventual retirement. You think if Bowen was able to physically, he would of loved to prove Pop wrong, that he was still a force defensively. Same with Horry.

I said Bowen got shoved out the door. He did. You don't read so good.

And yeah, Bowen's defense started to go downhill after 2001 when they added the hand check rules.

[admiralsnackbar]

When was Bowen so disgusted by Pop's shenanigans that he left the NBA?

Should I have written that in blue for you?

[NameOfTheGame]

Hilarious! some of y'all are just freaking funny as . Here's my real objective perspective...

Y'all post on this forum thinking that anyone actually gives a ... as though what you think matters to the Spurs front office. You think forums like this are something more than for mere entertainment purposes... and ironically, THAT makes them all the funnier.

So I come in here and post some positive crap about Pop and y'all go all Tony Allen on me. LOL!

Look, I really don't give a about the people on the Spurs because I don't know them personally. I just know that after 20 some odd years of following the team they finally won a le and then they won three more, all under Popovich. So, I tend to cut him some slack. I also knew as many of this forum seemed to know that it was a long shot that this team would even compete for a le. You assemble the best team you CAN with the resources you have and give it your best shot. That's what the Spurs did. So why all the vitriol? Because some of y'all act as though you think you're next in line for a front office job or something. Or that you may be the next Marc STein or Tim Legler or something.

YOU'RE NOT an NBA analyst. You're not an expert. Your just a fan like me. But unlike me, you think what you say on this forum really matters in the grand scheme of things. It's funny (to a point) how much you hate on players and coaches, and then on people when they don't agree with you or don't join in the hate.

But then again, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe, as you're breaking down game film in your basement during "off" hours your phone will ring and it will be RC Buford calling to ask your opinion on a European kid with a sweet jumper; or maybe Pop will call to ask your recommendation on when to employ a zone versus man defense; or maybe Matt Bonner will call you to ask for some shooting pointers. It could happen.

Here's hoping it does.

In the words of Billy Clinton, "I feel your pain."

Sometimes, this forum makes me want to go back to SpursReport. Only sometimes, though. This place still kicks ass. Absolutely. It's BECAUSE the people here take the Spurs so seriously and are very outspoken about it...that makes the forum worthwhile.

[Obstructed_View]

Should I have written that in blue for you?

Absolutely. If you were kidding, I totally missed it and I apologize.

If you were serious, then you, you ain't in the NBA, as though what you think matters, I don't give a , why are you being such a jerk? /blue`

I was a little surprsed to see that question from you.