sons IF Mavs win le this year Dirk will surpass Duncan as best PF of last 15 years

[Leetonidas]

[Greg Oden]

a list with George Mikan on it should be disregarded in the first place.

[DPG21920]

A Mav fan who even entertains this should be forced to contemplate.

[Warlord23]

The list of NBA players who were top 2 in the league in both offense and defense is very short, but 2003 Duncan is the only player in the last 15 years who makes that list:

Wilt, Kareem, Jordan, Hakeem, Duncan. That's it.

Dirk is one of the great all-time scorers, but his body of work is not comparable to Duncan's.

[4>0rings]

God, you are a dumbass

this

[DPG21920]

This is obvious. These are things we know.

Dirk has been great this year though. Congrats.

[DMC]

lmao sports nation

Vs your opinion? I'll take it any time.

[Leetonidas]

I know this is a troll topic, but seriously, get back to me when Dirk almost drops a quad-doub in the close out game of the finals or even drops 37/16/4/2 on prime Shaq while closing out the 3peat Lakers.

[DMC]

I know this is a troll topic, but seriously, get back to me when Dirk almost drops a quad-doub in the close out game of the finals or even drops 37/16/4/2 on prime Shaq while closing out the 3peat Lakers.

Or wins a ring at all.

[Greg Oden]

Vs your opinion? I'll take it any time.

Is Mikan a top 15 player?

[DMC]

Is Mikan a top 15 player?

I never saw him play. I understand he was damn good.

Mikan became so dominant that the NBA had to change its rules of play in order to reduce his influence such as widening the lane from six to twelve feet ("The Mikan Rule"). He also played a role in the introduction of the shot clock, and in the NCAA his dominating play around the basket led to the outlawing of defensive goaltending. Mikan set the stage for the Modern Age of the NBA dominated by tall, powerful players.

-Wiki

[Leetonidas]

Or wins a ring at all.

Well that could be happening soon. But it won't really matter. Dirk is a great player, one of the top 50 ever and behind TD/KG/Malone for 4th best PF ever but he is not better or even close to being the player Tim Duncan was overall. He's the better player now offensively, and I think he may be a bit better overall but Tim's defense is still way ahead of Dirk. Tim's the greatest PF ever and has Dirk beat in individual and team accolades up and down the list.

[Bill_Brasky]

Sons I honestly feel bad for people who just wanna hate on a great player and let their bias and butthurtness cloud the fact that they get the privilege to watch something special that they will probably never see again, at least any time soon.

I'm talking about Duncan/Kobe/Dirk haters. All greats in their own regards, just be glad you got to see them play.

[Spurtacus]

now sons I'm not a fan of either of the two so I have absolutely no reason to lean one way or the other. I also have never bought into the hype of either of them being considered the "greatest power forward of all time". With that said they both are clearly two of the best power forwards that the NBA has seen over the last 15-20 years and that is a fact that simply cannot be argued against. However IF the Dallas Mavericks win the NBA championship this season then Dirk will surpass Duncan and here are the reasons why ...
Both of them are relatively close when it comes to personal statistics, but Duncan has been tremendously blessed from the day he came into the NBA to be on defensively stacked teams and coached by arguably one of the greatest coaches of all time. Dirk had to truly earn his way with far less talent around him and for a long time had to deal with Avery ing Johnson. Now this is not meant to be a knock to Duncan as if he never had to do anything for the team to be successful, but Duncan was always more of a "product of a system" and the best player on the best team at the time than he was a superstar player. Dirk on the other hand could put his team on his back and single handedly take over games.

- Dirk can take over games, Duncan never could

- Duncan is the far better rebounder, Dirk's rebounding is only average considering his size

- Dirk is the far better scorer, Duncan hasn't been a scoring threat in years

- Both are relatively even on defense, Duncan's defense has always been overrated

- Dirk is a more accurate shooter from all over the court, Duncan has a better post game

- Dirk is the better performer in the playoffs

- Dirk has had to carry the Mavs most of his career, Duncan has always had solid teams


Now sons usually I think that the "rings" argument is lame, but in this particular case I do believe that in order for Dirk to surpass Duncan that he will have to win one before its all said and done. As for now Duncan is still on top over Dirk simply because of his past success, but that could change if the Mavericks pull it off this season.

[badfish22]

BR with the goods

[DMC]

Well that could be happening soon. But it won't really matter. Dirk is a great player, one of the top 50 ever and behind TD/KG/Malone for 4th best PF ever but he is not better or even close to being the player Tim Duncan was overall. He's the better player now offensively, and I think he may be a bit better overall but Tim's defense is still way ahead of Dirk. Tim's the greatest PF ever and has Dirk beat in individual and team accolades up and down the list.

Who would you push out of the top 50 to put Dirk there?

[DPG21920]

adfish with the not so subtle goods.

[Giuseppe]

Sons I honestly feel bad for people who just wanna hate on a great player and let their bias and butthurtness cloud the fact that they get the privilege to watch something special that they will probably never see again, at least any time soon.

I'm talking about Duncan/Kobe/Dirk haters. All greats in their own regards, just be glad you got to see them play.

Food for thought. Bill, per usual.

[SpursPreacher]

BR slowly step away from the crack.

[Leetonidas]

Who would you push out of the top 50 to put Dirk there?

You know that Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant aren't on that list either right?

[DMC]

Take your pick of sources, just show me one that shows Dirk over Tim other than the OP. Slam Magazine's "new top 50" lists Tim 8th all time, with Kobe at 12. Dirk isn't in the top 50. That was in 2009. What's really changed since then?

Tim's team ousted Dirk's in the 1st round last year.

[DMC]

You know that Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant aren't on that list either right?

Then it gets really nebulous if you cannot subs ute. Regardless who's also not there, you have to push someone out to bring someone in.

[Bill_Brasky]

Take your pick of sources, just show me one that shows Dirk over Tim other than the OP. Slam Magazine's "new top 50" lists Tim 8th all time, with Kobe at 12. Dirk isn't in the top 50. That was in 2009. What's really changed since then?

Tim's team ousted Dirk's in the 1st round last year.

As far as Kobe and Tim, depending on when it was published, 2 rings, but at least 1.

As far as Dirk, nothing. But again, that's all just somebody's opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

[DMC]

As far as Kobe and Tim, depending on when it was published, 2 rings, but at least 1.

As far as Dirk, nothing. But again, that's all just somebody's opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

Like I said, use whatever source you like. It's all opinion. Statistically, only Barkley was ahead of Tim in 09, but even Sir Charles said Tim was better than him. I don't remember him saying that about Dirk. Tim never had a rep for choking.

[Bill_Brasky]

Like I said, use whatever source you like. It's all opinion. Statistically, only Barkley was ahead of Tim in 09, but even Sir Charles said Tim was better than him. I don't remember him saying that about Dirk. Tim never had a rep for choking.

It's a consensus among bball greats that Timmy is the best PF ever. I trust 'em, and happen to think so myself.

Dirk is amazing though, and I'm not, nor have I ever taken him for granted, even though I was mighty butthurt between May of '06 and April of '07.