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    Bonner's unconventional screwball shotput/sidearm release is not mechanically sound, which is part of the reason his shooting stroke is so inconsistent, and he almost always struggles under pressure. Comparing it to Dirk's textbook jumper is laughable dude.
    If you want to talk about form, Dirk kicks his leg out to the side and throws the ball behind his head, his shot isn't textbook at all. What I do know are the facts, Matt Bonner is a better shooter than Dirk Nowitzki.
    And as far as the rest of his game, Nowitszki has about 100 other ways to score than Bonner has, starting with an array of post up moves and fadeaways... Bonner would be lucky to hit the top of the backboard with some of the shots Dirk makes regularily.
    That's different than normal shooting. Making tough shots is entirely different and is why Dirk is who he is. I'm not sure why you're straying away from the point, maybe because you know that you are wrong, but as I said, the point is Bonner is much more accurate from the 3 than Dirk. Kobe Bryant makes way more difficult shots than Ray Allen, that doesn't make him a better shooter.

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    IMO, Lakers don't give up Bynum (giving up the Front Line) advantage for a top10-15 in the league Point Guard. Keep in mind the Lakers won 2 les with Fisher so they don't exactly view the position as important as that size advantage Drew/Gasol/Odom gives them

    Parker for Odom

    Do you do it? Lakers would IMO

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    IMO, Lakers don't give up Bynum (giving up the Front Line) advantage for a top10-15 in the league Point Guard. Keep in mind the Lakers won 2 les with Fisher so they don't exactly view the position as important as that size advantage Drew/Gasol/Odom gives them

    Parker for Odom

    Do you do it? Lakers would IMO
    I would never trade Parker for Odom. I also agree the Lakers would be stupid to trade Bynum for Parker, but I'm relying upon them possibly overreacting to being swept. Maybe they put in a call to Otis Smith, Otis tells them it's never gonna happen... then the Parker deal might look a little more enticing.

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    I would never trade Parker for Odom. I also agree the Lakers would be stupid to trade Bynum for Parker, but I'm relying upon them possibly overreacting to being swept. Maybe they put in a call to Otis Smith, Otis tells them it's never gonna happen... then the Parker deal might look a little more enticing.
    Agreed. How bout Parker for Gasol? I dunno if Lakers would do that either though but if the rift between Kobe and Pau is large enough

    Parker + Blair would prob the price

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    Agreed. How bout Parker for Gasol? I dunno if Lakers would do that either though but if the rift between Kobe and Pau is large enough

    Parker + Blair would prob the price
    IMO the lakers hold Gasol in higher regard than Bynum. If they don't, they should. If the Lakers would take Parker and Blair for Gasol, yes I'd take that. I'd throw in a first rounder for good measure.

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    If you want to talk about form, Dirk kicks his leg out to the side and throws the ball behind his head, his shot isn't textbook at all. What I do know are the facts, Matt Bonner is a better shooter than Dirk Nowitzki.
    That's different than normal shooting. Making tough shots is entirely different and is why Dirk is who he is. I'm not sure why you're straying away from the point, maybe because you know that you are wrong, but as I said, the point is Bonner is much more accurate from the 3 than Dirk. Kobe Bryant makes way more difficult shots than Ray Allen, that doesn't make him a better shooter.
    Ahh, still sticking to the ol' guns i see...

    So what do legs have to do with shooting form? You shoot with your upper body and arms last time I checked. And I'm not sure where you get the idea he "throws the ball above his head". I don't even know what the that means exactly. What I do know is that he shoots the ball above his head, which is where a jumpshot is supposed to be shot, whereas Bonner shoots it from his right shoulder. Which is why Bonner can't get shots off if there is anyone near him ..

    You can see Dirk's shooting form here and it is textbook.



    And as far as accuracy goes, Bonner practices his uncontested 3's every day in practice. But that's all he can do and he generally isn't guarded closely out on the 3pt line, so it makes sense his % will be better. Dirk sees double and triple teams regularily since he's the focal point of the offense. If Bonner had this much attention paid to him he'd be lucky to shoot 25%.

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    Ahh, still sticking to the ol' guns i see...

    So what do legs have to do with shooting form? You shoot with your upper body and arms last time I checked.
    I don't know if you've ever actually played basketball before, but your legs are just as important, if not more important than your upper body.

    Which is why Bonner can't get shots off if there is anyone near him ..
    I'm going to go out on a limb and say the #1 3 point shooter in the NBA draws some attention, and isn't shooting all wide open jumpers.

    You can see Dirk's shooting form here and it is textbook.

    I'm not sure why you would pick a video where he's being fouled and going off the glass, but it was funny nonetheless because of that.

    And as far as accuracy goes, Bonner practices his uncontested 3's every day in practice. But that's all he can do and he generally isn't guarded closely out on the 3pt line, so it makes sense his % will be better.
    Bonner can drive and score and even create for others from time to time. He's a pretty good all-around offensive player. People get on him because he's white with red hair and unathletic. Overall, he's a great player to have on your roster, especially at his price.
    Dirk sees double and triple teams regularily since he's the focal point of the offense. If Bonner had this much attention paid to him he'd be lucky to shoot 25%.
    No he doesn't. He rarely sees even a double team. Reason being, you don't double team a largely one-dimensional player, when his one-dimension is jump shooting.

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    Pass on Super s. I also don't have a whole lot of faith in George Hill as the starting PG. Maybe regular season but he hasn't shown much in 3 playoffs.

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    would rather take a chance on an injury prone Oden then trade parker for an injury prone Bynum.

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    would rather take a chance on an injury prone Oden then trade parker for an injury prone Bynum.
    Rumor has it Portland is talking about offering him 9-10 million a year.

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    Rumor has it Portland is talking about offering him 9-10 million a year.
    damn

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    I don't know if you've ever actually played basketball before, but your legs are just as important, if not more important than your upper body.

    One of the greatest 3 point shooters in history used to kick his leg out when he shot the ball.. his initials were RM (I'll let you figure out who he is if you can). This kind of proves that where your legs end up really make no difference..

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say the #1 3 point shooter in the NBA draws some attention, and isn't shooting all wide open jumpers.

    Okay, so only 90% of his 3's are uncontested. Thanks for correcting my mistake.

    I'm not sure why you would pick a video where he's being fouled and going off the glass, but it was funny nonetheless because of that.

    I chose this video because I knew you would whine it wasn't a 3point shot, as if it makes any difference.

    Bonner can drive and score and even create for others from time to time. He's a pretty good all-around offensive player. People get on him because he's white with red hair and unathletic. Overall, he's a great player to have on your roster, especially at his price.

    Bull . People get on Bonner because he chokes under playoff pressure. His career playoff 3pt% is 32% while Dirk's is 39%. This is not a "great player" to have on your roster, sorry.

    No he doesn't. He rarely sees even a double team. Reason being, you don't double team a largely one-dimensional player, when his one-dimension is jump shooting.
    lmao.. this is just absurd.

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    Trade without Bonner or RJ in is stupid!
    agree....plus I rather trade bonner and rj for bynum

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    I'd do that only if the f.o. decide we are in a rebuilding mode...and they realizae they have the chance to make other trades.

    Parker (plus Green or 2^ ch.) for Bynum + Ebanks (so he could jopin his old teammate Butler)

    Gino + Dice contract for Iguodala + Speighs

    Jefferson + Bonner for M. Williams + Pachulia

    then we draft a play maker with our 29 draft choice or we take one via f.a.

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    Rumor has it Portland is talking about offering him 9-10 million a year.
    Whoa that's a lot. I don't think he's worth that much considering the risk. If it were a short term contract it would be better.

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    parker for curry maybe not brynum

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    If you want to talk about form, Dirk kicks his leg out to the side and throws the ball behind his head, his shot isn't textbook at all. What I do know are the facts, Matt Bonner is a better shooter than Dirk Nowitzki.
    That's different than normal shooting. Making tough shots is entirely different and is why Dirk is who he is. I'm not sure why you're straying away from the point, maybe because you know that you are wrong, but as I said, the point is Bonner is much more accurate from the 3 than Dirk. Kobe Bryant makes way more difficult shots than Ray Allen, that doesn't make him a better shooter.
    The fact is Dirk shoots a better fg% and way better ft% than Bonner. Dirk shoots a better fg% than Bonner does and he is the focus of every opposing defense he plays against. Please give me the facts that Bonner is a better shooter than Dirk. No one will agree with you.

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    The fact is Dirk shoots a better fg% and way better ft% than Bonner.
    The only relevant stat is that Bonner shoots a lower percentage from the line, but if we're going to choose which stat is more important, 3 point % for FT %, the case for FT % would be a laughable one.

    Dirk shoots a better fg% than Bonner does and he is the focus of every opposing defense he plays against.
    Again, you're acting as if I'm saying Bonner is a better player, otherwise you'd see none of what you've just said is relevant to the matter at hand.

    Please give me the facts that Bonner is a better shooter than Dirk. No one will agree with you.
    Surely.

    Career 3 point percentage:
    Dirk Nowitzki: .381
    Matt Bonner: .414

    That isn't even close, I'm sorry.

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    The only relevant stat is that Bonner shoots a lower percentage from the line, but if we're going to choose which stat is more important, 3 point % for FT %, the case for FT % would be a laughable one.



    Again, you're acting as if I'm saying Bonner is a better player, otherwise you'd see none of what you've just said is relevant to the matter at hand.



    Surely.

    Career 3 point percentage:
    Dirk Nowitzki: .381
    Matt Bonner: .414

    That isn't even close, I'm sorry.
    Your a funny little dude.

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    Your a funny little dude.
    I laughed at the ironical nature of calling me little, when you subs uted your for you're -- something that is typical of someone who is 12-years-old.

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    How many bigs with a similar injury history prior to their 24th birthday have gone on after to have relatively healthy productive careers? Is the number even 1?

    He's worth a gamble if you can get him for pennies on the dollar, but the Lakers shouldn't and wouldn't sell him for that.

    By the same token, I think he'd have to play a full season next year (however many games that may be) for the Magic to even consider him as a return for Howard.
    His injuries are somewhat overblown IMO. Theyre not related to each other so theres no chronic injuries going on there, some of them have been plain bad luck freak accidents. I wouldnt be surprised to see this kid healthy and dominating the center postion along with Howard as soon as next season.

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    Career 3 point percentage:
    Dirk Nowitzki: .381
    Matt Bonner: .414

    That isn't even close, I'm sorry.
    Career Playoff 3 point percentage:
    Dirk Nowitzki: .386
    Matt Bonner .322

    It's not even close.
    Dirk double teamed, Bonner wide open.

    Bub bye.

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    Career Playoff 3 point percentage:
    Dirk Nowitzki: .386
    Matt Bonner .322

    It's not even close.
    Dirk double teamed, Bonner wide open.

    Bub bye.
    Um... that's funny? What is that supposed to prove? He's more clutch? I agree, completely. Is he a better shooter than Matt? Of course he isn't. When dealing with numbers, there is something that is crucial, and that is called sample size.

    Bye.

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    lol OP wants to trade for s.

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    i'm still an advocate for this trade. spurs need to shake things up and lakers need to win now. lakers don't need gasol AND bynum clogging up the low post. getting an all star caliber point guard in return is a good trade. lakers are wasting bynum's potential by playing him next to another all star big. lakers don't need bynum, just a FA center to replace him.

    bigs like bynum don't come along every day. he's got size, defense, rebounding, and good fundamental low post moves. who the has that in this league anymore? he just needs to stay healthy. since duncan no longer gets the ball in the low post anymore, he can just let bynum do it and shoot his soft jump shots all day. the only thing i don't like about this trade is that it improves the lakers as well. they get an all star PG with championship experience. if that doesn't propel them to the top, i don't know what will.

    bynum also has a team option i believe in 2012. so if things don't work out he's still completely tradeable/can just be cut. otherwise having a 23 year old center who already knows how to block shots, rebound, play defense, move in the post, and is 7 feet is pretty rare.

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