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  1. #51
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    Recruit Rick Fox would be helpful.

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    No darkness Cry Havoc's Avatar
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    What I figured.

    Sorry about the Spurs being stuck in perpetual 1st/2nd round exit mode while the Lakers have all the tools to structure another quick reload, again.

    Hurts, don't it?
    All the tools = the most expensive combined collective contracts in the NBA + aging stars who are well past their prime.

    U HAZ THE TOOLZ.

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    Having Howard and Bynum on the same team would be an epic fail for the Lakers.

    Again, the frontcourt is not the problem for LA. The backcourt is. Positions 1-3 need speed and shooting, and the team will be fine.

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    O & 44!!! Now, go back &
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    Recruit Rick Fox would be helpful.

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    NB:lol Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_ Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fa kers_ 21_Blessings's Avatar
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    Deron Williams isn't det guud
    Elaborate.

    20/9 on a mediocre offensive Jazz team. Can defend the 1 and the 2, something the Lakers sorely need in the backcourt. Good shooter, with range. Ability to destroy teams through the pick and roll (aka most used NBA play ever). Knees aren't shot like Paul's.

    What's not to like?

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    I'm obsessed with his wife

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    Obviously Dwight, Paul or Dwill are "dream scenarios" ...to get any of those guys THOSE players would have to have a "clear agenda" to get to L.A. . if they do, Lakers have SOME leverage to strike a deal. if they do not Lakers have few options because even if the CBA is restructured I doubt it will offer the Lakers much cap relief.

    But I laugh at those that scoff at the value of Kobe, Pau, Lamar even Walton has value a year from now when he expires. Kobe is still the best player and has most value of this group because he still at least a top 10 player an elite though volume scorer, and despite not being a ALL NBA defender he is far froma sieve on defense. Add to the fact he is one of the most marketable stars despite his transgressions, if the Lakers wanted to Kobe would bring a return to the right team.
    Fact of the matter is Buss would not trade him. Kobe can still fill seats at Staples and as much as the Lakers charge, no way they trade Kobe without getting a superstar back. who could they really get back in return that would be acceptable? So in regards to Kobe I agree the Lakers are stuck and it is in their best interest to ride it out.

    Now overall Bynum is the best trade chip, but his knee is suspect. If they keep Bynum, pau is the most logical trade asset. If Bynum goes, you have to get a big ...and I would sacrifice Pau and Odom if need be (for Dwight) but only if we dont haveto eat Arenas e, contract in return. If so Lakers should pass, and focus on the backcourt and bench.

  8. #58
    O & 44!!! Now, go back &
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    NB:lol Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_ Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fa kers_ 21_Blessings's Avatar
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    All the tools = the most expensive combined collective contracts in the NBA + aging stars who are well past their prime.
    So you're saying no NBA team could use a player like Odom, Pau or Bynum? All three would upgrade the Spurs immediately. Hahaha.

    You're confused.

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    All the tools = the most expensive combined collective contracts in the NBA + aging stars who are well past their prime.
    U HAZ THE TOOLZ.

    do you analyze or do you just throw stuff out there and see what sticks?
    I mean, really?

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    Veteran Killakobe81's Avatar
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    Having Howard and Bynum on the same team would be an epic fail for the Lakers.

    Again, the frontcourt is not the problem for LA. The backcourt is. Positions 1-3 need speed and shooting, and the team will be fine.
    Agree, it's not front-court. it's shooting, athleticism and bench at the 1-3 spots ...

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    Rooster-Lollypops TheManFromAcme's Avatar
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    Agree, it's not front-court. it's shooting, athleticism and bench at the 1-3 spots ...
    +1

  13. #63
    O & 44!!! Now, go back &
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    do you analyze or do you just throw stuff out there and see what sticks?
    I mean, really?
    Cry has the best intentions going in. But, after 5 minutes he reverts to an a-hole.

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    So you're saying no NBA team could use a player like Odom, Pau or Bynum? All three would upgrade the Spurs immediately. Hahaha.

    You're confused.
    It's funny how quickly you shifted out of troll mode when I threw your schtick back at you. Almost like you're... worried... about the Lakers' chances of rebuilding?

    Odom is aging and probably will begin a steady decline in production now. Pau is not worth his contract because of his newfound ability to disappear for an entire playoffs. He's also got way more miles on him than the typical big for his age, and even admitted that he's tired.

    Bynum is definitely a legit trade chip, as, you know, I mentioned earlier. The problem is who to trade him for? Can you justify giving away a big like Drew unless you get Howard back in return? What if you don't get Howard? Who do you pursue then, and who else on the Lakers is tradeable that's going to give equal value back?

    do you analyze or do you just throw stuff out there and see what sticks?
    I mean, really?
    What's hilarious is that out of all the 21_Blessings posts recently, you choose to call me out for that?

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    Agree, it's not front-court. it's shooting, athleticism and bench at the 1-3 spots ...
    I would argue Pau is a complete liability defensively. Even more so when he loses focus. Bynum has been covering his defensive deficiencies for years now.

    Dirk shot nearly 80% on his Pau's pasty ass and in the 40s against the rest of the team. Partly Phil's fault there, but the only other option was to bench him. Which probably should have happened to be honest.

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    Agree, it's not front-court. it's shooting, athleticism and bench at the 1-3 spots ...
    The problem is who to give up? Who's going to take Artest's back-ended contract? You might be able to swing Gasol for some decent young guards, but then what? I doubt you'll get a premium point for him, and the Lakers need at least someone decent running the plays.

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    Rooster-Lollypops TheManFromAcme's Avatar
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    .... just poking at ya Cry....no big deal.

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    NB:lol Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_ Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fa kers_ 21_Blessings's Avatar
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    It's funny how quickly you shifted out of troll mode when I threw your schtick back at you. Almost like you're... worried... about the Lakers' chances of rebuilding?
    I don't troll....

    Your definition of a "schtick" is posting some lame .img that you probably have saved in some folder with a bunch of other lame, unoriginal internet images.

    Odom is aging and probably will begin a steady decline in production now.
    Double double guy, shot over 50% and won 6th man of the year. Yeah, no trade value. At all. You're right.

    Pau is not worth his contract because of his newfound ability to disappear for an entire playoffs. He's also got way more miles on him than the typical big for his age, and even admitted that he's tired.
    It's not a newfound ability. It was there in Memphis.

    And he's still worth more than Duncan. A team will s out for a player like Pau when he still has the ability to give a lottery team 17/10/3 and can play the 4 or 5. He's a luxury on the Lakers when they have two superior big men.

    Bynum is definitely a legit trade chip, as, you know, I mentioned earlier.
    So is Pau Gasol and Odom... That's three decent trade chips. Now compare that to the pile of the Spurs have going for them.


    The problem is who to trade him for? Can you justify giving away a big like Drew unless you get Howard back in return? What if you don't get Howard? Who do you pursue then, and who else on the Lakers is tradeable that's going to give equal value back?

    What's hilarious is that out of all the 21_Blessings posts recently, you choose to call me out for that?
    I want a) point guard b) speed/youth/athletes

    What's hilarious is you typing out serious paragraphs of misinformed garbage that you cover with s of glitter and hope while acting like you know what you are talking about. Almost as if you're wishing the Lakers would just go away and die. Sorry, but it's not happening. If Buss does one thing well, it's retooling his dynasties into new dynasties.

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    Elaboration:

    Christ Paul > Deron

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    Christ Paul > Deron
    Either would do.

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    The Lakers need Chris Paul. They also need a shooter at the 3 position. Artest is awful for that team.

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    The triangle offense must die first!

  23. #73
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    Yes, it must. I look forward to a new system.

    I prefer Williams to Paul. Let CP3 play with his butt-buddies in NY as his body breaks down even further.

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    It's not really a system problem. The Lakers just lost the ability to score in transition efficiently by getting rid of their young team speed and never properly addressing the point guard position.

  25. #75
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    lol

    Your definition of a "schtick" is posting some lame .img that you probably have saved in some folder with a bunch of other lame, unoriginal internet images.
    I don't waste time replying to idiotic comments.

    Double double guy, shot over 50% and won 6th man of the year. Yeah, no trade value. At all. You're right.
    He's a bench player making a cool $17 mil over the next 2 years. He's a big who doesn't play like one. Do you know of any teams who are willing to part with their young promising shooting guard to take on Odom? In 2012 he'll be worth a lot more as his contract is set to expire. Right now, he's medium trade-bait at best.

    It's not a newfound ability. It was there in Memphis.
    Man, Laker fans waste no time ting on a guy that won them two les alongside Kobe. Sad to see.
    And he's still worth more than Duncan.
    Immaterial considering the Spurs would never trade Duncan.

    A team will s out for a player like Pau when he still has the ability to give a lottery team 17/10/3 and can play the 4 or 5.
    They sure will. However, will they give you their promising young players of even close to equal value while still meeting salary restrictions?

    He's a luxury on the Lakers when they have two superior big men.
    Who's the other "superior" big man to Gasol?
    So is Pau Gasol and Odom... That's three decent trade chips. Now compare that to the pile of the Spurs have going for them.
    You mean 3 of the 4 best players on your team have some trade value!? This is shocking. What I would like to know is how the Lakers intend to find a team who will sell out their future to have Gasol/Odom play for them for 2/3 seasons? Who are you going to find who wants THOSE contracts AND is willing to give you a top tier young guard for them?

    I want a) point guard b) speed/youth/athletes
    Again, shocking. Most teams want to be slow, old, and unathletic. Your desires are unique to the league and puts you in a unique place at the bargaining table, as no other GMs are looking for any of these traits!

    What's hilarious is you typing out serious paragraphs of misinformed garbage that you cover with s of glitter and hope while acting like you know what you are talking about. Almost as if you're wishing the Lakers would just go away and die. Sorry, but it's not happening. If Buss does one thing well, it's retooling his dynasties into new dynasties.
    As I've said before, I think the Lakers will be back, eventually. However, this notion that some fans have that retooling is as simple as forcing Orlando to trade Dwight, or getting Deron from NJ like it's just a simple snap of the fingers is hilarious. You are stacked with monster contracts that other teams are going to be extremely hesitant to deal with given the current status of the CBA. As constructed the Lakers are probably due to be a weaker west power for the next 2-3 years... after which Kobe will probably be reduced to a role player.

    I've asked you, repeatedly, who you think the Lakers have a shot in of getting realistically, and you can't answer. I think your rage in response, rather than calmly examining the situation, is perhaps the most telling thing in this discussion.

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