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    If Hill can't run the point then please explain why the spurs never lost a beat any time Hill was subbed in for Parker anytime he was out of the lineup for the past 3 seasons for various injuries and actually did better in many cases...
    1.1 assists in 30 minutes per game in the playoffs. George Hill is a bench player who can occasionally get hot offensively and can guard iso players who don't use a lot of screens. Nothing more.

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    I have no issue at all with parker being traded if its the best interest of the franchise I'm just @ the idea to get Hill running the point... we are going to cry and think that parker was not so bad after all

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    1.1 assists in 30 minutes per game in the playoffs. George Hill is a bench player who can occasionally get hot offensively and can guard iso players who don't use a lot of screens. Nothing more.
    If the spurs are winning ballgames, does it matter how many assists George Hill has?

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    Hill's about as smooth as Antonio Daniels was running the offense.

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    Hill's about as smooth as Antonio Daniels was running the offense.
    And who runs 90% of the offense if that Manu guy starts?

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    Did anyone hear the entire interview? He might have spoken about what they are planning to do.....

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    Hill's about as smooth as Antonio Daniels was running the offense.


    It's amazing that even after 4 years, the kid still can't run an effective pick-n-roll.

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    It's amazing that even after 4 years, the kid still can't run an effective pick-n-roll.
    Or guard one.

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    This. If you can't run or defend the most commonly-run offensive play in the league, you're not a very good guard.

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    Did anyone hear the entire interview? He might have spoken about what they are planning to do.....
    This.

    No one else seems to notice the audio cut out and instead keeps repeating their thoughts on possible trades. Would really love to know what the Spurs, not fans, will do with RJ.

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    This. If you can't run or defend the most commonly-run offensive play in the league, you're not a very good guard.
    Exactly. Combo or otherwise.

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    Hill's still a good utility player off the bench. I just can't understand wanting to hand off the reins to him. If you trade Parker, you should blow up the team completely (which I still think the Spurs should do at least after next season once Tim's deal expires).

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    It's amazing that even after 4 years, the kid still can't run an effective pick-n-roll.
    Questions:

    How have the spurs managed to win games when Parker has been out then?

    Oh, and how many chances has he had to learn this stuff? Since He's always spotted up in the corner while either TP or Manu have the ball in their hands. Hard to learn something when basically never are called upon to do it.

    I would be willing to wager he'd become more proficient in P&R situations after 3 months in a starting role situation getting comfortable with it.

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    Hill's still a good utility player off the bench. I just can't understand wanting to hand off the reins to him. If you trade Parker, you should blow up the team completely (which I still think the Spurs should do at least after next season once Tim's deal expires).
    Why blow up the team when you still have Manu & Tim? You really think the spurs are that finished, a team that won 62 games in the regular season with essentially garbage playing next to Tim Duncan the whole year? Put some legitimate size and shotblocking next to Duncan and let Manu run the offense while Hill learns the ropes, and you still have a contending team with a shot IMO.

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    If the Spurs do trade tp, I could see the Spurs siging, or trading for a vet. pg, to compete with Hill. But like others have mentioned, Ginoboli is the defacto backup pg. So as long as the Spurs get back equal or more value trading tp., I don't see a problem with a trade.

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    If the spurs are winning ballgames, does it matter how many assists George Hill has?


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    TJastal = Hill?

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    Hill's still a good utility player off the bench. I just can't understand wanting to hand off the reins to him. If you trade Parker, you should blow up the team completely (which I still think the Spurs should do at least after next season once Tim's deal expires).
    ...and for those who want Parker gone, remember Pop elected to evolve the Spurs offense into more of an uptempo one. Because Parker has been, and still is, a one-man fast break for this team, you take him away and a chunk of your transition baskets go away with him - unless of course, the Spurs can get another lightening-fast PG in return.

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    Questions:

    How have the spurs managed to win games when Parker has been out then?

    Oh, and how many chances has he had to learn this stuff? Since He's always spotted up in the corner while either TP or Manu have the ball in their hands. Hard to learn something when basically never are called upon to do it.

    I would be willing to wager he'd become more proficient in P&R situations after 3 months in a starting role situation getting comfortable with it.
    I doubt that. He's had numerous PnR opportunities in games. If you watch him, he NEVER passed the ball or even looks to setup the roll man. eh ALWAYS looks for his offense and his offense alone.

    It's fair to place a lot a large share of this on Pop because it is HE, who forced Hill into becoming this scoring guard, who only looks for HIS offense first. It's also Pop who has continously overrated Hill as a defender, since Day one.

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    ...and for those who want Parker gone, remember Pop elected to evolve the Spurs offense into more of an uptempo one. Because Parker has been, and still is, a one-man fast break for this team, you take him away and a chunk of your transition baskets go away with him - unless of course, the Spurs can get another lightening-fast PG in return.
    First of all, I personally rather have Parker stay with the Spurs. But if they do trade em, I hope they get back a starting caliber 4,5, and a quality backup pg, if not a starting caliber pg in return.

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    I don't want TP to go, but if he can be used to get rid of one other bad contract and help shore up the frontline and wing position, then you do what's best for the franchise. Agree we need a backup PG. I've been saying we need one for a couple of seasons now. Hill is a SG, and we're stacked at that position. The only reason to keep him around is that his contract is cheap right now.

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    ...and for those who want Parker gone, remember Pop elected to evolve the Spurs offense into more of an uptempo one. Because Parker has been, and still is, a one-man fast break for this team, you take him away and a chunk of your transition baskets go away with him - unless of course, the Spurs can get another lightening-fast PG in return.
    I thought it was pretty clear that style of basketball wasn't compatible once the playoffs started.

    Kind of a "run at your own risk" type strategy that backfired, with Parker being the embodiment of this style of basketball.

    That's not to say the spurs can't redefine themselves with elements of that up-tempo team intact, in fact if you recall the Hill/Manu/RJ trio that took over in late 2009 did alot of running and gunning.

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    The biggest concern I have is what this FO considers good value for somebody like Tony.

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    The biggest concern I have is what this FO considers good value for somebody like Tony.
    +1. Pretty sobering concern.

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    I doubt that. He's had numerous PnR opportunities in games. If you watch him, he NEVER passed the ball or even looks to setup the roll man. eh ALWAYS looks for his offense and his offense alone.

    It's fair to place a lot a large share of this on Pop because it is HE, who forced Hill into becoming this scoring guard, who only looks for HIS offense first. It's also Pop who has continously overrated Hill as a defender, since Day one.
    Give him a week of 1-hour practice sessions once training camp rolls around where he runs P&R and has to hit the roll man with a pocket pass and he'll be doing it in his sleep by the all-star break.

    As for his defense (which admittedly didn't look great against Memphis), its still better than Parker. He is a much more versatile defender as well.

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