The Right Way to Shrink Prisons

[clambake]

what victims are you referring to?

the past and possible future victims of this said defendant that was released pre-trial, just because his alleged crime was considered not violent based on statistics. i'd hate to think these statistics would be based on a whole without recognizing the difference between poodles and pitbulls.

If you have a case of a repeat offender of a violent crime, chances are, the grid would make it very very difficult for him/her to make bail.....if at all.

i don't argue with this.

[elbamba]

i don't have a problem with bracelets and monitoring, but wouldn't the added cost for adequate monitoring be staggering?

the bottom will fall out when they slip through the cracks. and many will slip through.

I don't know how to quote my article but here is a cut and paste:

"A few jurisdictions, however, have begun to think outside the prison cell. In line with recommendations endorsed by the American Bar Association, Miami-Dade County cut costs associated with detention by supervising defendants outside jail at a total cost of around $400 per defendant per year, compared with $20,000 for incarcerated defendants. In Iowa, alternatives to pretrial detention saved the state’s Southern District $1.7 million in 2009."

There is not a perfect system. But I would rather have a non-violent predetainee criminal out of prison, than someone who has been convicted. Remeber that the Supreme Court of the U.S. just ordered thousands of convicted criminals to be released because the state could not afford to hold them in humane conditions.

[Blake]

the past and possible future victims of this said defendant that was released pre-trial, just because his alleged crime was considered not violent based on statistics. i'd hate to think these statistics would be based on a whole without recognizing the difference between poodles and pitbulls.

if the crime is considered non violent based on statistics, then how bad did these future victims get victimized?

do you have an example off hand?

[clambake]

I don't know how to quote my article but here is a cut and paste:

"A few jurisdictions, however, have begun to think outside the prison cell. In line with recommendations endorsed by the American Bar Association, Miami-Dade County cut costs associated with detention by supervising defendants outside jail at a total cost of around $400 per defendant per year, compared with $20,000 for incarcerated defendants. In Iowa, alternatives to pretrial detention saved the state’s Southern District $1.7 million in 2009."

There is not a perfect system. But I would rather have a non-violent predetainee criminal out of prison, than someone who has been convicted. Remeber that the Supreme Court of the U.S. just ordered thousands of convicted criminals to be released because the state could not afford to hold them in humane conditions.

come on man, i read that. didn't you like my "poodles and pit bulls" scenario?

[elbamba]

I have to go back to work. I'll start everyone off by getting us back on track:

Republicans suck! President Obama is a Libyan Socialist! I am a libertarian who believes that the government should regulate any moral issue on which I disagree with liberals.

Go!

[clambake]

if the crime is considered non violent based on statistics, then how bad did these future victims get victimized?

do you have an example off hand?

i don't have an example. but there will be some. and i'd hate to be the judge that presided over the decision.

[Blake]

i don't have an example. but there will be some. and i'd hate to be the judge that presided over the decision.

1. It would obviously depend on the crime, but if a non-violent offender repeats the same non-violent crime while out on probation, I'm not sure what the big deal would be there.

2. if the grid/formula/matrix is placed into law, then the judge would have no choice but to abide by the matrix, thus relieving him/her of the guilt he/she might otherwise currently feel.

[clambake]

1. It would obviously depend on the crime, but if a non-violent offender repeats the same non-violent crime while out on probation, I'm not sure what the big deal would be there.

it could be a very big deal to the victims. it could be life altering.

2. if the grid/formula/matrix is placed into law, then the judge would have no choice but to abide by the matrix, thus relieving him/her of the guilt he/she might otherwise currently feel.

yep. don't like it. poodles and pit bulls.

[Blake]

it could be a very big deal to the victims. it could be life altering.

lol like what?

yep. don't like it. poodles and pit bulls.

sorry, I dont get the analogy.

[MannyIsGod]

The government just can't ing admit its re ed drug laws everyone but those who make money off of easy incarceration.

[clambake]

lol like what?

like getting your car stolen. the car that allows you to work and back. the car you can't afford to replace. the missing piece that provides for your family. just one example. not lol if you're asking me.

sorry, I dont get the analogy.

thats because you have accepted the standard regarding the statistics without ferreting out the individual. not lol.

[Blake]

like getting your car stolen. the car that allows you to work and back. the car you can't afford to replace. the missing piece that provides for your family. just one example. not lol if you're asking me.

for one, getting convicted of stealing a car over $1500 is grand theft and is a felony.

If someone gets busted on a second charge, I'm pretty sure that bail will be set at an extremely high amount.

Even then, how long would you propose to keep a criminal convicted of grand theft in jail?

Sooner or later we are going to have to free them.

thats because you have accepted the standard regarding the statistics without ferreting out the individual. not lol.

for purposes of starting up a formula, yeah, I'd be good with using standard statistics.

if need be, the formula can be tinkered later, but it would be a nice start, imo.