Brian Cardinal >>> Bonner

[Big P]

Bonner is a liability and he disappears in the playoffs....huge mistake giving him a 5 year contract....they should have let rj walk as well.

[GSH]

Danny Ferry had a nasty side to him. That's something Matt simply doesn't have, and you can't teach. It's part of your personality. You either have it or you don't.

Echhh - you and Ohmwrecker are probably right. Ferry definitely had that nasty side, and Cardinal has always been a banger. Not quite dirty, but just this side of it. Bonner may have put some wood on guys, but I can't convince myself he's cut from the same cloth as the other two in that department.

I still don't think Cardinal could guard first-string bigs for long without fouling out, or learning to play matador. He's not heavy in the lateral movement department. They're both niche players, or should be. But it's a different niche. The biggest problem is that the Spurs need help in the bigs department. It's not Bonner. I know Cardinal bangs, but he's not the answer either. If we had that hole filled, then either one of them could contribute for 8-10 minutes. Without it, everyone would just be frustrated looking to either of them to be a solid big man.

[GSH]

What do I care whether Matt Bonner stepped into his 3's or not late in the year? It's not even relevant to the argument. His motion, mechanics and release are all flawed, which is evident from this video.

Pause at :17 and you can see how he releases the ball from his right shoulder shot-put style. It's like a cross between a jumpshot and setshot and since he shoots it from the shoulder instead of above his head it's easy to disrupt. Add the pressure of playoff basketball and these poor mechanics just exacerbate the problem which is why his 3pt% tumbles every year. He didn't get the nickname "snowman" for nothing.

You don't know about shot mechanics, and shouldn't pretend to. He shoots like Dave Hopla. He's not going to elevate and shoot over a leaping defender. We all know that. He's not the only spot-up 3-point shooter in the league. But "flawed mechanics"? Dumbass comment. "Shot-put"? Even more dumbass comment. , Sean Elliott [edit: can't believe I spelled freaking Elliott wrong] knows a thing or two about shooting, and he talks often about Bonner's stroke.

Have you ever bothered to watch the rotation on a shot? Do you even know what it means? No shot-put is going to look like Bonner's shot. It can't. Your problem is you never know when to quit. You get in over your head, and then you just keep digging the hole deeper. I'm not going to argue with you, you're just wrong.

[ElNono]

Echhh - you and Ohmwrecker are probably right. Ferry definitely had that nasty side, and Cardinal has always been a banger. Not quite dirty, but just this side of it. Bonner may have put some wood on guys, but I can't convince myself he's cut from the same cloth as the other two in that department.

I still don't think Cardinal could guard first-string bigs for long without fouling out, or learning to play matador. He's not heavy in the lateral movement department. They're both niche players, or should be. But it's a different niche. The biggest problem is that the Spurs need help in the bigs department. It's not Bonner. I know Cardinal bangs, but he's not the answer either. If we had that hole filled, then either one of them could contribute for 8-10 minutes. Without it, everyone would just be frustrated looking to either of them to be a solid big man.

The problem is that the proposition in this thread is re ed, that's why I didn't even really entertain the actual comparison. This is like asking who's better, Raef LaFrentz or Shawn Bradley. You're going to end up arguing about technicalities because at the very bottom you really know they're both awful overall players if given any important role.

[Cessation]

These bonner lovers never learn. How many times does he have to choke? Ginger is too unathletic and too much of a pussy to handle playoff basketball. It's no wonder that since he got here, spurs have been bounced in the first, or swept in the second. You have to be efficient in the playoffs, and Matty's 20 minutes a game, don't help that at all. By the way, when you say he's trying really hard out there, I'm not so sure, tbh. I think he's got that face of "I'm really working hard out here" down packed.

[ohmwrecker]

lol "down packed"

Dude, wtf are you talking about? There aren't any Bonner lover's in this thread.

TJ! Come take your little brother home!

[8FOR!3]

Yep. The facts mean nothing. The guy averaged over 9 PF/36 minutes in the playoffs. That's a foul-out every 19 minutes. But somehow that doesn't matter.

This is nothing but another worn-out "Bonner Sucks" thread. The only reason Brian Cardinal got brought into it was to try and make it look like something different than the last 500 "Bonner sucks" threads. And maybe it would have worked with someone other than Brian Cardinal.

Dirk Nowitzki > Matt Bonner

[thOOdee]

lmao at anyone who thinks bonner is better than cardinal.....bonner is barely a off the bench player....tbh i don't think this fool should even be playin in the nba.

[ChumpDumper]

lol flawed mechanics

[GSH]

The problem is that the proposition in this thread is re ed, that's why I didn't even really entertain the actual comparison. This is like asking who's better, Raef LaFrentz or Shawn Bradley. You're going to end up arguing about technicalities because at the very bottom you really know they're both awful overall players if given any important role.

Short and sweet. You made me laugh, and that's a pretty good way to end the day.

[joshdaboss]

Can't begin to explain how false.

[itzsoweezee]

I get it perfectly.

You are now implying that Carlisle is a better coach than Pop.

crofl.

He just might well be. Carlisle won a championship without the greatest power forward of all time. Popovich has gotten his ass handed to him two years straight by inferior teams. Popovich is a washed up has-been. Kick his ass to the curb already, and have him take Boner with him.

[Cessation]

lol "down packed"

Dude, wtf are you talking about? There aren't any Bonner lover's in this thread.

TJ! Come take your little brother home!

Sure there are scro, anyone saying anything positive about ginger, is a bonner lover, as far as I'm concerned. Extreme? Maybe so. Uncalled for? I think not. How many years have we seen that ginger choke over and over? and there are 3 more to come.

[cheguevara]

The problem is that the proposition in this thread is re ed, that's why I didn't even really entertain the actual comparison. This is like asking who's better, Raef LaFrentz or Shawn Bradley. You're going to end up arguing about technicalities because at the very bottom you really know they're both awful overall players if given any important role.

congratulations Nono. You finally get the point of my thread after 3 pages...

my point is, Jim Carrey uses Cardinal when he is forced to due to injuries. Pop uses Bonner as first bigman off the bench.

[Blake]

The problem is that the proposition in this thread is re ed, that's why I didn't even really entertain the actual comparison. This is like asking who's better, Raef LaFrentz or Shawn Bradley. You're going to end up arguing about technicalities because at the very bottom you really know they're both awful overall players if given any important role.

this.

[Blake]

congratulations Nono. You finally get the point of my thread after 3 pages...

I'm not sure you even get the point of your thread.

[cheguevara]

I'm not sure you even get the point of your thread.

my point is, Jim Carrey uses Cardinal when he is forced to due to injuries. Pop uses Bonner as first bigman off the bench.

[TimDunkem]

lol "down packed"

[Blake]

I'm not sure you even get the point of your thread.

[in2deep]

Cardinal was really great in that closing game. Reminded me of Oberto's closing game but in a lesser level. Doing all the intangibles. He even stole the ball from Lebron and manhandled Wade a couple of times.

You know, things that Bonner would never even dream of doing. I will go ahead and say Cardinal is much better defender than Bonner. But , 95% of the NBA also is.

[hater]

Had Bonner entered the game instead of Cardinal for the mavs, Lebron would have probably regained his confidence by monster dunking on the Ginger a few times.

[ChuckD]

Comparing Cardinal and Bonner? Really? That's like someone asking you if you want your sandwich on wheat or rye. Guess what? It's still a sandwich. If Cardinal were a Spur you'd be hating on him just as hard, believe it. This is strictly a case of "the grass is greener...".

[Cessation]

Had Bonner entered the game instead of Cardinal for the mavs, Lebron would have probably regained his confidence by monster dunking on the Ginger a few times.

Very true.

[TJastal]

Comparing Cardinal and Bonner? Really? That's like someone asking you if you want your sandwich on wheat or rye. Guess what? It's still a sandwich. If Cardinal were a Spur you'd be hating on him just as hard, believe it. This is strictly a case of "the grass is greener...".

Once again, I come across a ChuckD posting that is chock full of FAIL...

Cardinal is much better than you're giving him credit for. He's the perfect 'glue guy' to have on your team whether its taking a charge, getting into an opponents head, diving for a loose ball, boxing out, you name it. Pretty much everything that you never see Bonner do. The one and only advantage Bonner has is better 3pt%, but even that advantage dissappears once the playoffs start.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

As unwarranted as I think a lot of the Popovich hate on this site is, the Spurs fans STILL defending Bonner are a little strange. 3rd straight year he's absolutely the bed for you guys in the playoffs, even dumber than the Suns fans who still loved Barbosa after 2008.