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    Drob failed again and again as a number 1 option. Dirk won his ring as the clear cut number 1 on his team.

    1 ring+finals mvp>2 rings as a side kick.
    Dirk has had better overall teams that David ever had. You say David failed time and time again have you ever seen some of the players he had to play with. In a game of one on one a prime D-Rob would annihilate Dirk, but this is a team game though and it seems like you haven't looked at that side of it at all.

    Maybe David should have signed with the Lakers when he had the chance. He might have won a ring or two in his first few seasons in the NBA and people might realize how great he was.

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    Dave had the teams and the coaching to win it all - he was a choker.

    Interesting that his stats, unlike with other greats, went down in the post season....instead of up.

    It probably had to do he was a face up player - much easier to plan an effective D against someone like that that, say, Duncan.

    That being said, he was an excellent D player for pretty much all of his career, and that should count for something.
    No offense to Vinny Del Negro, but as your starting two guard that is a championship level team is it? LOL

    Olajuwon beats D-Rob because of his post game, but not many other players are that good. D-Rob could have been the Bill Russell of his era defensively if he could have concentrated on defense and had someone else take over on offense. Even Larry Brown said they tried to make him a scorer when he was probably closer to Bill Russell as a defensive player.

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    robinson needed the best power forward of all time(duncan) to be his "batman" for a le.

    dirk won with jet and a bunch of cast offs against a team with 3 of the league's best players, including the top two.

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    robinson needed the best power forward of all time(duncan) to be his "batman" for a le.

    dirk won with jet and a bunch of cast offs against a team with 3 of the league's best players, including the top two.
    How old are you? I don't think any of you guys have actually seen a prime David Robinson.

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    Drob

    who is the better PO performer?

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    robinson needed the best power forward of all time(duncan) to be his "batman" for a le.

    dirk won with jet and a bunch of cast offs against a team with 3 of the league's best players, including the top two.
    by your rational J Kidd is a future hall of famer, he has played with Dirk as long as Robinson played with Duncan.

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    saying that Dirk plays zero defense

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    Drob failed again and again as a number 1 option. Dirk won his ring as the clear cut number 1 on his team.

    1 ring+finals mvp>2 rings as a side kick.
    4 rings+ 3finals mvp> 5 rings with 3 as a side kick.

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    saying that Dirk plays zero defense
    Yeah, that was way too generous.

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    saying that Dirk plays zero defense
    Oh, he actually attempts to play defense. He just isn't very effective at it.

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    It depends who you are comparing Dirk to. If you're comparing him to D-Rob then yes he doesn't play any defense. If you are comparing him to Steve Nash then yes he does play defense.

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    DRob might have not been the choker that Malone really was, but didn't get many chances to prove that either. The series against Hakeem was his only big run before Duncan, and he got thoroughly outplayed in that. That makes it very hard to see him stack up well against other all time greats. Heck, even Ewing had more deep runs than Robinson had.

    The same could be said for Lebron vs. Dirk. While Dirk won against Lebron in their (likely one and only) head to head battle in the playoffs, I am not ready to say Dirk is a better player than Lebron. or saying Billups > Kobe because Billups outshone Kobe in one series.

    Ewing had Oakley, Starks, Mason, Doc Rivers and Charles Smith as his sidekicks during his prime.

    Robinson had Elliott/Rodman/ mings, Avery Johnson as his. It's quite a difference in terms of supporting cast.

    It's all hypotheticals, but I really believe if Robinson had a decent/All Star PG in his days, a player who could spreadout the floor for him, and I am not talking about a Stockton type player, but someone like a Mark Price, he would have won a championship at some point.

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    Revisionist history. He was the number 1 seed in 95.....
    Speaks to how he overachieved.

    The Spurs throughout Robinson's prime was extremely flawed, much like the 01 and 02 Spurs with Duncan in the middle.

    You pack the lane, and they have NOTHING left.

    Robinson was very easy to guard? That explains why he was constantly double and triple teamed in the playoffs with teams daring the secondary players to beat them.

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    Wow, what a ty take. So a finals mvp and a ring doesn't bump someone up the all time great list?
    Joe Dumars
    Chauncey Billups
    Tony Parker
    James Worthy
    Cedric Maxwell
    Jo Jo White

    I am not saying Dirk is a secondary player, because he has a regular MVP to back him up, but I am saying that a Finals MVP and a ring has a lot more to do with the team you are on, the compe ion against, and getting hot at one particular moment than other things.

    There are times where a Finals MVP bolster the argument of a great player being a greater player, such as how Shaq dominated in 00, 01 and 02, Jordan, Hakeem, Bird and Magic, or even Dirk in 11. But to say Robinson is lesser because he was never being placed in a situation where he could dominate in the finals is flawed.

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    Mavs fans who even consider this have delusions of grandeur. Dirk wouldn't even get a shot up with David or Hakeen guarding him for that matter. Heck, Malik Rose could shut him down in his prime and then posterize him on the other end.

    Cheers for winning the NBA championship finally and not having to go through a young Lakers or Spurs squad. Just as many young people could take Bill RusseLl down now.
    Pinked in 28 posts.

    Wow.

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    3 pages?! Really?! Jesus . . .

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    saying that Dirk plays zero defense
    I wouldn't say he plays zero defense but his defense certainly isn't average like Mavsfans are trying to make us bealive, dude is 7' tall and he demands no respect from opposing players 'cause A) he has no hops and B) He isn't very interested in sacrificing his body or getting into foul trouble. His lateral movement is also inexistent. He's basically only useful at getting defensive rebounds, something at which he's a little inconsistent at times.

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    This is a ridiculous question.

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    You win ONE le and then you think you're of Celtic status. SMH. Rather violently.

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    Well Dirk was the best player on a championship team, something Robinson cannot say.

    On the other hand, Robinson was dominant on both ends and had the misfortune of playing during Jordan and Hakeem's prime.
    Let's not forget that outside of that great playoff hakeem had against David, Robinson owned him head to head. And had karl malone not been allowed to karate chop him everytime he was in the post and get away with it, 50 would've got a crack at mj.

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    And one of their better years I think 94, rodman was suspended in a playoff game againt utah. Who knows what would've happened if he wasn't insane.

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    4 rings+ 3finals mvp> 5 rings with 3 as a side kick.
    and 6/24 in Game 7 when he was alpha dog too.

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    Dirk is above average man on man defender and a below average help defender

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    and 6/24 in Game 7 when he was alpha dog too.
    Duncan 10/27 game 7....good thing he had manu to bail him out

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