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Pass on Outlaw. Plus, we already drafted a much better version of him in Leonard.
Nice sig, Ace. I didn't understand the 'human avatar' nickname until I saw that pic. That's a ridiculous wingspan and his hands are like tennis racquets
Pass on Outlaw. Plus, we already drafted a much better version of him in Leonard.
Jefferson wipes his ing ass with Travis Outlaw. Give me a break. Travis Outlaw's contract last year was the laughing stock of the league.
RJ is 31 years old and has $30.5M/3 years left on his contract.
Outlaw is 27 years old and has $28M/4 years left on his contract.
No need to say more.
Dont think the contracts match? T-Out is making the MLE IIRC.
What's the point of having a running offence, if in the playoffs halfcourt would dominate. Assuming your goal is to be a le contender, and not just a regular season champ.
You sir are correct...in every way.I would do this just because I feel about Jefferson the exact same way I feel about Bonner. I simply don't want to see either one on the floor as a Spur anymore. I don't want to see if they can change their game, or do better next year. I don't even want them to have a chance (at least, not in this orgo).
In fact, I'm afraid that they will do the exact same thing they did this season, which is show up for the first part of the regular season to engrave themselves into the rotation, then they quickly revert back to the perennial playoff pussies that we have all come to expect.
Outlaw may or may not be a change for the better, but at least I wouldn't feel like I was watching the same crappy movie over again. As for Bonner, pretty sure a sequel is already being planned for next spring.
Outlaw's contract is also a flat structure. Those types of contracts are much easier to move if the Spurs want to get out from under him after next season.
lol Awful, absolutely awful comparison, tbh.
If I were a Spurs fan, I'd be willing to trade and his horrible contract for just about any breathing SF.
If the NBA puts in a hard cap, both contracts will be radioactive beyond belief. I'll take 3 years over 4, in that case.
True...but I won't actually believe a hard cap is happening until the ink is dry on the paper.
You realize that the owners pulled all of their offers, and are back to the $45M hard cap now, didn't you? It happened when the lockout did.
And? That means nothing. That's what you do when you play hard ball in negotiations. The NBA will lose a whole season before the players agree to a hard cap...especially one that low. They will meet in the middle somewhere.
if they put in a hard cap, there will be a multiple years procedure that considers those contracts. it will be in the interest of most of the owners as well (it's in the interest of the players anyhow), they are not interested in taking away any flexibility for 3 or 4 yeas from the teams that currently have several long term contracts.
so the question, if Outlaw has one more years on his contract isn't the major issue IMO. the question, if he is a player the Spurs should want at all, that's the point. he likely isn't and fans might hate him more than RJ soon. however, such a trade scenario can still be rated as "realistic" when it comes to the question, if the other team would do it. (as opposed to 99% of the ST trade proposals)
Most of his "points" have been complete bunk.. Like calling Pop an "Elite" coach because the spurs were the oldest team in the league.
Makes for entertaining reading nonetheless.
A lot of folks think there will be a lost season. Once the players are locked out, the owners have the position of strength. Their expenses are very low, and there are 20-something of them who feel it's better not to do business at all than to continue under the current runaway soft cap model.
I agree here. The problem is that the "trade y-J" camp doesn't understand that there is no trade involving Jefferson that will turn us into contenders. Not one.
Good thoughts, but see my post above. You can apply that rule to TP as well.
I don't think a big 2 with or without RJ wins anything tbh. The Spurs are simply looking to soften the landing after Timmy and Manu walk away.
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The door swings both ways...it's not like the players are broke or will hurt for money by losing a season. I think it's much more even than you think...but this is a discussion for another thread.
No matter what happens with the lockout, Outlaw's contract is easier on the Spurs even though it's a year longer. Not only is it cheaper overall, but the Spurs would save quite a bit of money in each of the remaining years that would have run the course of RJ's contract...2.3 million next season, 3.1 million in '12-'13 and 4 million in '13-'14. If the hard cap is coming as you say it is, those numbers become much bigger than they were in the soft cap days.
Disagree. It's called addition by subtraction. RJ is taking up a youngster's minutes.
Most people thought he would be a good fit. , when the trade happened, Vitale was saying "give next season's le to the Spurs". He wasn't even a good fit in year #2 with the team, when almost everyone else we've brought onboard has "gotten it" by that time. He even had a summer of tutelage under Pop.
It's time to cut our losses. Get anything in return...and trade TP to a 2021 lottery team.
I'd trade RJ for pretty much anything at this point. The dude is over paid and sucks.
I have wanted Outlaw in the Spurs for like 3, 4 years. I would welcome this.
Bingo. RJ just hurts the team plain and simple. He's useless, and like Bonner he was getting too many minutes. I would love to have Leonard force fed minutes to begin the season along with Splitter.
I know RJ barely played in Game 6 against the Grizz, so obviously the Spurs want to get rid of him. I think we'd have a better chance of getting rid of RJ via amnesty, but I don't know if Holt would be willing to go that route.
I was one of the few people who cautioned that the Jefferson signing wasn't a great one. That being said, I give Jefferson all of the props in the world for his season last year. Popo threatened to completely ruin this guy. He's made Jefferson completely change his game and hasn't done anything to help him at all. Jefferson has never been strictly a spotup shooter, and that's what he's been made to be. Last year, he completely changed his game and did that great. I give him major props for that.
Did he have a bad playoffs? Absolutely. Is he entirely to blame for that? Absolutely not. Popo going into panic mode, changing rotations and giving players sporadic minutes is mostly to blame. I don't care if you're a YMCA player or an NBA player, nobody can be expected to perform in that situation.
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