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    Any democratic elected political structure that is socialistic will have all kinds of political corruption. Just look at the democrats here!
    Can you point out all the socialist corruption that exists in Canada?

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    Can you point out all the socialist corruption that exists in Canada?


    Or Germany...

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    The average American probably thinks socialism is the same thing as Nazism because of how much Republicans have demonized the word, similar to how Republicans demonize smart people who graduate from Ivy league colleges by calling them "elitists"

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    Many modern, industrial countries are very successful, stable social democracies.

    Unregulated capitalism in UCA has proven, again, to be a huge up (Great Depression, and the current Great Banksters' Depression, etc), a disaster, delivering the goods only for a few, delivering the bads for the majority. Human-Americans should learn from other countries that the USA need more socialism (esp hard-core public health insurance option, and the US-govt as hard-ass singleer-buyer to BigPharma), not less.

    The long and deep corruption of the Greek kleptocratic plutocracy, private and public, is a lesson for the USA as what will (continue to) happen as the UCA and capitalists continue to Human-Americans harder and faster and deeper.

    2012 will be a watershed. If the VRWC/Repug scorched earthers (in more than one sense scorched: environment, destruction of the country, and flaming assholes) win control of the Congress and the Exec, and more state elections, they will certainly accelerate the death spiral for the majority of Human-Americans.
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    Silver-spooner Steve Forbes has been heading up a troupe of "disaster capitalism" hyenas who intend to scavenge Greece, paying way under market prices.

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    The average American probably thinks socialism is the same thing as Nazism because of how much Republicans have demonized the word, similar to how Republicans demonize smart people who graduate from Ivy league colleges by calling them "elitists"
    "Intellectuals"

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    ^Yeah that's another one. I just know Sarah Palin constantly refers to educated smart people as "The Elite," as if anyone who isn't a re ed construction worker with no post-HS education should fear the "elite".

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    ^Yeah that's another one. I just know Sarah Palin constantly refers to educated smart people as "The Elite," as if anyone who isn't a re ed construction worker with no post-HS education should fear the "elite".
    From a strictly American context, that particular individual should fear the "elite".

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    i don't know how employment is going to get fixed w/o lowering the taxes significantly and not having as many regulations for businesses. i have cousins in New York who moved their business (which employs 2,500+) to China because it's easier to do business over there. there are plenty of stories like this. you average businesses think it's too difficult to do business here because of national policies. so they go somewhere else. it's not a difficult concept to grasp. businesses are going to maximize profit. policies should help them do that here in the U.S. if you don't believe that then it makes no sense to whine about unemployment.

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    i don't know how employment is going to get fixed w/o lowering the taxes significantly and not having as many regulations for businesses. i have cousins in New York who moved their business (which employs 2,500+) to China because it's easier to do business over there. there are plenty of stories like this. you average businesses think it's too difficult to do business here because of policies here. so they go somewhere else. it's not a difficult concept to grasp. businesses are going to maximize potential. policies should help them do that here in the U.S. if you don't believe that then it makes no sense to whine about unemployment.
    Are you talking about Greece or the US?

    Germany did it using price controls. Obviously, you'll get a healthy dose of posters here crying you a river for even suggesting that.

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    "lowering the taxes significantly and not having as many regulations for businesses"

    neither of which have anything to do with hiring when DEMAND is down, and people are insecure about their future financial prospects.

    China is a hole for workers and the environment, as well has subsidizing their companies with $100Bs (those $Bs being heavily from under-priced/dumped exports to USA), and holding their currency -30% below where it should be.

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    Are you talking about Greece or the US?

    Germany did it using price controls. Obviously, you'll get a healthy dose of posters here crying you a river for even suggesting that.
    i'm talking about the U.S.

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    i'm talking about the U.S.
    How you explain the US not having this job problem with much higher taxes?
    I mean, historically these are the lowest tax rates this country ever had.

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    I think the problem goes beyond the US. One of the ty sides of globalization is that you also expose yourself to other country economic problems. The economy is simply a global mesh, and not what it used to be.

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    How you explain the US not having this job problem with much higher taxes?
    I mean, historically these are the lowest tax rates this country ever had.
    you talk to businessmen like my cousin and they'll tell you the same thing: business is too regulated, taxes are too high. maybe the tax rates and standards of yesteryear don't matter any more. we live in a global economy. things have changed. other countries' economies are exploitable and businesses in trying to maximize profits move there. it isn't the same way it used to be.

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    I think the problem goes beyond the US. One of the ty sides of globalization is that you also expose yourself to other country economic problems. The economy is simply a global mesh, and not what it used to be.
    yup

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    you talk to businessmen like my cousin and they'll tell you the same thing: business is too regulated, taxes are too high. maybe the tax rates and standards of yesteryear don't matter any more. we live in a global economy. things have changed. other countries' economies are exploitable and businesses in trying to maximize profits move there. it isn't the same way it used to be.
    "Businessmen" always about taxes and regulation, but when you ask them to tell you how specifically they are "too regulated" you get a blank stare.

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    you talk to businessmen like my cousin and they'll tell you the same thing: business is too regulated, taxes are too high. maybe the tax rates and standards of yesteryear don't matter any more. we live in a global economy. things have changed. other countries' economies are exploitable and businesses in trying to maximize profits move there. it isn't the same way it used to be.
    I'm a minority owner myself, and have to deal with competing with cheap labor out there. I just won't find a computer programmer willing to work for $10/hour here like you'll find in India or Russia. Higher/lower taxes, more/less regulations isn't changing that either. We just try to offer a quality product and top of the line customer support, which makes people feel they're getting their money's worth. It's all we can do until some of those other economies catch up to us in the standard of living department.

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    "other countries' economies are exploitable and businesses in trying to maximize profits move there."

    The UCA "globalizers/free-traders" always knew that, going back 30 years, and pushed hard.

    Now we see how pitting US workers against Chinese/Indian/etc workers is screwing Human-Americans, and enriching Corporate-Americans.

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    "Businessmen" always about taxes and regulation, but when you ask them to tell you how specifically they are "too regulated" you get a blank stare.
    Probably because they can't believe such a stupid question was asked. Just keeping track of all the legalities is a mess.

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    I'm a minority owner myself, and have to deal with competing with cheap labor out there. I just won't find a computer programmer willing to work for $10/hour here like you'll find in India or Russia. Higher/lower taxes, more/less regulations isn't changing that either. We just try to offer a quality product and top of the line customer support, which makes people feel they're getting their money's worth. It's all we can do until some of those other economies catch up to us in the standard of living department.
    Back in the 90's, we had a guy who wrote the company machine control software. He only charged $100/hr to come to the site and make changes, but some things you can't outsource. Have to be with a working machine to write the code and test in real time.

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    Regulations, taxes aren't killing small business, owners say


    "Government regulations are not 'choking' our business, the hospitality business," Bernard Wolfson, the president of Hospitality Operations in Miami, told The Miami Herald. "In order to do business in today's environment, government regulations are necessary and we must deal with them. The health and safety of our guests depend on regulations. It is the government regulations that help keep things in order."


    None of the business owners complained about regulation in their particular industries, and most seemed to welcome it. Some pointed to the lack of regulation in mortgage lending as a principal cause of the financial crisis that brought about the Great Recession of 2007-09 and its grim aftermath.

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