Oslo: Bomb blast near Norway prime minister's office

[RandomGuy]

Cue the apologists:

"my religions nutjobs are very different than that other religions nutjobs"

[RandomGuy]

I mean if a muslim kills people we expect that because that is just the nature of islam, but if a Christian does it, he isn't really a Christian.

I can see it now. The only thing we need to concern ourselves with is who will actually not get the hypocrisy and say it first...

(edit)

Just to be clear the quote was intended to be generic and not indicative of any one particular person. Sorry if it appeared otherwise.

[Wild Cobra]

I can see it now. The only thing we need to concern ourselves with is who will actually not get the hypocrisy and say it first...

You really go out of your way to use your hatred of me, don't you? there's a pretty distinctive difference between the two cultures.

[RandomGuy]

You really go out of your way to use your hatred of me, don't you? there's a pretty distinctive difference between the two cultures.

I don't hate you. Actually I rather like you, warts, moronic opinions and all.

Besides, post you were responding to was generic.

Do you want to claim the idea as your own?

[RandomGuy]

You really go out of your way to use your hatred of me, don't you? there's a pretty distinctive difference between the two cultures.

As for "cultures" I would be willing to bet a cool c-spot you don't know jack about muslim "culture" beyond what Fox "news" and chain emails tells you to know.

You probably don't have any muslim friends, have never lived in any muslim country, and never talked politics with a muslim.

Tell me I'm wrong.

[xeromass]

Firstly, mea culpa, he isn't Fjordman the left wing blogger but was inspired by him.

Dude actually published 1516 pages long declaration in English covering whole ideological background, how to procure & produce fertilizer bombs and all kinds of weapons, his diary from may 22nd...

http://www.2shared.com/file/M-s-2fBD...tionofInd.html

Diary is at the end.

Snippet from beginning:

Sacrifices made when creating the compendium

I’ve spent a total of 9 years of my life working on this project. The first five years were spent studying and creating a financial base, and the last three years was spent working full time with research, compilation and writing. Creating this compendium has personally cost me a total of 317 000 Euros (130 000 Euros spent from my own pocket and 187 500 Euros for loss of income during three years). All that, however, is barely noticeable compared to the sacrifices made in relation to the distribution of this book, the actual marketing operation

[Wild Cobra]

As for "cultures" I would be willing to bet a cool c-spot you don't know jack about muslim "culture" beyond what Fox "news" and chain emails tells you to know.

You probably don't have any muslim friends, have never lived in any muslim country, and never talked politics with a muslim.

Tell me I'm wrong.

You are wrong. I've worked with Muslims.

[RandomGuy]

Firstly, mea culpa, he isn't Fjordman the left wing blogger but was inspired by him.

Dude actually published 1516 pages long declaration in English covering whole ideological background, how to procure & produce fertilizer bombs and all kinds of weapons, his diary from may 22nd...

http://www.2shared.com/file/M-s-2fBD...tionofInd.html

Diary is at the end.

Snippet from beginning:

Sacrifices made when creating the compendium

I’ve spent a total of 9 years of my life working on this project. The first five years were spent studying and creating a financial base, and the last three years was spent working full time with research, compilation and writing. Creating this compendium has personally cost me a total of 317 000 Euros (130 000 Euros spent from my own pocket and 187 500 Euros for loss of income during three years). All that, however, is barely noticeable compared to the sacrifices made in relation to the distribution of this book, the actual marketing operation

Sure let me go right out and download a 1500 page bomb making manual on my home computer, just as long as it is the same one recently used by a mass murderer whose online activiites are being closely monitored and investigated by various police and law enforcement organizations.

[RandomGuy]

You are wrong. I've worked with Muslims.

You ever talked religion or politics with them? Would you consider them friends?

[Wild Cobra]

You ever talked religion or politics with them? Would you consider them friends?

You are jumping to conclusions I bet. Never discussed such things, and I have no problem with the few I know. I have stated on several occasions it's the radicals I dislike. Now consider this. It is impossible, if not, next to impossible to read from the Bible it is OK to commit mass murder, without a direct confrontational reason. It's very easy to do the same with the Koran.

Now I have met one from Intel some time back. I was always wondering if he was the same one that was part of a local Al-Qaeda cell here in Portland.

[xeromass]

Sure let me go right out and download a 1500 page bomb making manual on my home computer, just as long as it is the same one recently used by a mass murderer whose online activiites are being closely monitored and investigated by various police and law enforcement organizations.

a) If that's current state of mind in USA - I feel sorry for you. "the land of the free and the home of the brave...with liberty and justice for all"

b) I'm quite certain that it will become one of the most downloaded files in the following days&weeks

[Wild Cobra]

a) If that's current state of mind in USA - I feel sorry for you. "the land of the free and the home of the brave...with liberty and justice for all"

b) I'm quite certain that it will become one of the most downloaded files in the following days&weeks

I am tempted myself out of curiosity. 1500 pages though...

[RandomGuy]

As for "cultures" I would be willing to bet a cool c-spot you don't know jack about muslim "culture" beyond what Fox "news" and chain emails tells you to know.

You probably don't have any muslim friends, have never lived in any muslim country, and never talked politics with a muslim.

Tell me I'm wrong.

You are wrong. I've worked with Muslims.

You ever talked religion or politics with them? Would you consider them friends?

You are jumping to conclusions I bet. Never discussed such things, and I have no problem with the few I know. I have stated on several occasions it's the radicals I dislike. Now consider this. It is impossible, if not, next to impossible to read from the Bible it is OK to commit mass murder, without a direct confrontational reason. It's very easy to do the same with the Koran.

Now I have met one from Intel some time back. I was always wondering if he was the same one that was part of a local Al-Qaeda cell here in Portland.

That is an awefully evasive answer. The questions were pretty much yes or no.

So I can assume the answer is no, you have no muslim friends, and no you have never actually talked politics or religion with muslims.

I did jump to a conclusion, but allowed a qualifying "probably" for the possibility you might surprise me.

Your non-answer confirmed my jumped-to conclusions.

[RandomGuy]

a) If that's current state of mind in USA - I feel sorry for you. "the land of the free and the home of the brave...with liberty and justice for all"

b) I'm quite certain that it will become one of the most downloaded files in the following days&weeks

I don't think the FBI will go about raiding my house because I download it, but I would prefer not to get on some watch list.

I have a 250 page GAO audit of the Fed to read first anyways.

[MannyIsGod]

Does it matter? As long as this isn't a group organization.... what would be the benefit? Knowing if he was a liberal or conservative... christian or muslim... it would allow us to point fingers I guess.

I don't need to know that he was a christian conservative nutjob, to know that most christian conservatives are nutjobs. /joking /but not really joking

ps - mostly making the point that Osama doesn't represent the entire Islamic religion

Of course it matters to know what their motivations are. That has nothing to do with the obvious point that he doesn't represent a large majority of people (nor does Osama).

[DarrinS]

Of course it matters to know what their motivations are. That has nothing to do with the obvious point that he doesn't represent a large majority of people (nor does Osama).

When they discover that this guy was part of a vast, organized network, let me know.

[ElNono]

as for a Christian Fundamentalist, maybe he was part of such a group, but that doesn't mean he believed.

You don't need to make excuses for him or Christian Fundamentalists, tbh.

[ElNono]

You really go out of your way to use your hatred of me, don't you? there's a pretty distinctive difference between the two cultures.

I'm not sure there's a really distinctive difference when you're talking about extremists, on either side.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm not sure there's a really distinctive difference when you're talking about extremists, on either side.

I consider his Nazi ties more pertinent than his claiming to be Christian.

[Spurminator]

When they discover that this guy was part of a vast, organized network, let me know.

He's obviously a part of the vast organized network of Christianity. I mean, right?

[ElNono]

I consider his Nazi ties more pertinent than his claiming to be Christian.

If you can't tell the difference between "Christian Fundamentalist" and "Christian", then I don't expect you to know the difference between "Radical Muslim" and "Muslim".

There's people to this day that claim that Hitler was a Christian Fundamentalist himself. (I won't argue the case since I don't know the background of the claim).

The point is: Nutcases are nutcases. Some extremist views cater much easier to those nutjobs. I don't know that any religion matters much. I would guess they just seek confirmation bias in anything they can find.

[Ignignokt]

If you can't tell the difference between "Christian Fundamentalist" and "Christian", then I don't expect you to know the difference between "Radical Muslim" and "Muslim".

There's people to this day that claim that Hitler was a Christian Fundamentalist himself. (I won't argue the case since I don't know the background of the claim).

The point is: Nutcases are nutcases. Some extremist views cater much easier to those nutjobs. I don't know that any religion matters much. I would guess they just seek confirmation bias in anything they can find.

Christ nor paul compelled their followers to wage war. So no, killing in the name of Christ is not a fundamental tennet. It's different for Islam.

[Winehole23]

When they discover that this guy was part of a vast, organized network, let me know.

Extremist ideologies can be found with one or two clicks. You don't even need a vast network. All it takes is one passionate, prepared guy.

[Ignignokt]

Quality contribution by gtown.

thank you.

[Ignignokt]

Extremist ideologies can be found with one or two clicks. You don't even need a vast network. All it takes is one passionate, prepared guy.

At the moment, one extreme ideology is constrained to pshychopaths, loners, and some small groups.

The other is state sponsored, seminary sponsored, global, well equipped in finance and arms, and has the backing of text.

This atrocity was committed by a right wing nut, no doubt. But let's not equivocate.