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    2nd Verse Same as the 1st Oh, Gee!!'s Avatar
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    Intelligent design final exam:

    Why do we exist?

    Because it is God's plan.

    Correct.

    Why is the sky blue?

    Because it is God's plan.

    Correct.

    Why is the grass green?

    Because it is God's plan.

    Correct.

    Why don't baby chimps dance to music whereas human babies do?

    Because it is God's plan.

    Correct.

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    Evolution can't explain the origins of life and it cannot explain why human's brains are hard-wired for music. Human babies dance to music. Baby chimps don't.
    Evolution doesn't attempt to. You would have to look at the "Primordial soup" theory and such. There's plenty of things we don't understand about the human brain, but we're lightyears ahead of what we knew 4000 years ago about it. ID doesn't even attempt to explain why any of that happens either.

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    If humans would've assigned everything we don't understand or know about at some point in time to merely faith or some higher being ..

    If you find some ancient tool or machine and you attribute it's design to some intelligent being, is that somehow unscientific? Why can't that same principle be applied to biology?

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    I don't know anything about Intelligent design.

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    I wonder if all those brainiacs in their ivory towers know about this non-dancing baby chimp discovery of darrin's? I'd say that little tidbit settles the matter once-and-for-all: evolution don't make no damn sense. If it did, I should be able to youtube some dancing baby chimps.

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    If you find some ancient tool or machine and you attribute it's design to some intelligent being, is that somehow unscientific? Why can't that same principle be applied to biology?
    It's completely unscientific. You're offering an explanation that's not falsifiable. You would attribute it to, say, humans in certain time period. There might be no way to test right now (ie: carbon dating might not go far back enough), but you're offering something that eventually could be tested and ruled as true or false. When your argument is about a being which itself cannot be scientifically proven to even exist, you're jumping to a completely different realm that's entirely non-scientific.

    We've found tools and artifacts (i.e.: Pyramids) that we thought were fairly advanced for when they were built. But the scientific theories surrounding them (and some historical evidence found have proven and dismissed some of them) are entirely falsifiable. They're not attributed to gods or higher beings. Merely to fairly intelligent mortals.

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    why are there chimps at all?

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    That is the reason why things such as ID and science are mutually exclusive. One offers claims that can be tested and falsified. The other offers claims that simply are not testable.
    This is not really true. The only thing ID allows for that isn't testable is God and his ultimate plan. It doesn't say don't look into it, in fact many ID believers think that continuing to study science and revealing more of the "mysteries" of the universe will ultimately prove the existence of God.

    Science is the medium through which God reveals himself, etc.

    It's usually strict creationists/literalists that oppose and suppress science.

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    i thought the bible was where god revealed himself.

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    This is not really true. The only thing ID allows for that isn't testable is God and his ultimate plan. It doesn't say don't look into it, in fact many ID believers think that continuing to study science and revealing more of the "mysteries" of the universe will ultimately prove the existence of God.
    Then it's not scientific. Science, or should I say, the scientific method is entirely based on testable (falsifiable) theories.

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    BTW, there's a reason for that. Otherwise you would have a 'everything falls back here if we can't get it yet' wildcard. Science prefers to say they don't know yet, rather than attribute it to something that cannot ever be tested and proven/disproven.

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    Also, if you had a God whose presence could be proven or not, then you would have something Science as we know it could work with. Not what we have today by any meaningful definition of God.

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    They don't have to be but there is absolutely zero proof of intelligent design. You can definitely believe in ID and evolution concurrently but only one has scientific proof behind it.
    Really there is scientific proof of evolution? I didn't know that.

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    THAT evolution happens is not theory.

    HOW evolution happens (natural selection) is Darwin's (as yet undefeated) theory.
    It is absolutely a theory. There is no scientific proof that evolution ever happened. it is based on theory and faith. much like christianity. or just the idea of intelligent design.

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    man was created by faith....even before man was created.

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    "don't understand why evolution and intelligent design"

    ID is a renaming, aka a lie, a deception, of (Biblical) creationism. By any name, there's no evidence for it, aka, a religious fairy tale intended to for primitive, ignorant people 1000s of year ago.
    It's a hypothesis to accepting both science and the Bible.

    Sorry that you may be soulless.

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    BTW, there's a reason for that. Otherwise you would have a 'everything falls back here if we can't get it yet' wildcard.
    You keep repeating this "everything we can't explain must be intelligent design" mantra.

    It's actually because we know so much about the complexity of a single cell, for example, that suggests a design that's hard to believe occured by chance.

    Science never attempts to discover "why" only "how".

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    "This is a huge victory for Texas students and teachers,"

    That's not true. People generally could careless. Dr. Eugenie Scott sounds like a real ing bag if you ask me.
    You sound butthurt.

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    It is absolutely a theory. There is no scientific proof that evolution ever happened. it is based on theory and faith. much like christianity. or just the idea of intelligent design.
    You seem to be misinformed/confused. There's Evolution the event, and Evolution the theory (two different things). Evolution the event has been scientifically proven to happen. You can go back to geological strata containing evolutionary sequence of fossils that scientifically proves Evolution the event happens.

    Evolution the theory (as 101A pointed out, aka natural selection) tries to explain why and how Evolution the event happens. So far what it proposes has not been proven false. It also has not been proven entirely true (and I remark entirely, because some portions has been proven true, just not all of it).

    It really has nothing to do with religion or some grand creator.

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    Creationism says God created the universe 6000 years ago, with man and all other life popping into existence then just as it is now.

    They swallow that fairy tale but refuse to believe in life spontaneously evolved over Bs of years?
    Not all believe that. Yes, before more were willing too accept modern science, and that is based of the genealogy following Adam. There are creationists today who realize there is more. That realize translations are incorrect also. Just to start with Adam, if we use the genealogy, Adam and Eve where created about 4,000 BC. However, this is when that story starts. Adam is a proper name in the story after the beginning, but during the story of creation, Adam was a different word that meant "mankind." The Bible gives us no indication how long the day (cycle) was during the creation, or how long mankind was on the earth before Adam was changed to a modern man.

    The word used for day means cycle. Not necessarily a solar day.

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    None of that is evidence for ID. No one ever said evolution is a complete theory for everything having to do with life. It doesn't explain everything nor does it claim to.
    It's called faith.

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    That is the reason why things such as ID and science are mutually exclusive. One offers claims that can be tested and falsified. The other offers claims that simply are not testable.
    So just call it a hypothesis.

    Sorry you have no faith. Why should the atheist point of view prevail? Is there no room for diversity?

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    You keep repeating this "everything we can't explain must be intelligent design" mantra.
    Because that's what it is. An half-assed explanation for the unexplainable.

    It's actually because we know so much about the complexity of a single cell, for example, that suggests a design that's hard to believe occured by chance.
    Suggestions you can't test are meaningless from a scientific optic. They're not really worth seriously entertaining.

    Science never attempts to discover "why" only "how".
    When you rule out the paranormal, as science does, they're the same question.

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    man was created by faith....even before man was created.
    I think it's safe to say man evolved, until the missing link.

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    Who said evolution theory was necessarily atheist?

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