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It isn't that people are obstructing traffic and the when cops tell them to move and they get all rebellious! Not at all, they aren't doing a damn thing illegal and the cops are just pushing them around to incite conflict.
When you unlawfully block a bridge and prevent people from getting to their jobs and do not disperse when asked to do so by the police that is not a "peaceful" demonstration.
It isn't that people are obstructing traffic and the when cops tell them to move and they get all rebellious! Not at all, they aren't doing a damn thing illegal and the cops are just pushing them around to incite conflict.
if everyone thought like this the Civil Rights movement would have never happened. Also the US would probably still be fighting the Vietnam war.
If the cop has no good reason for making you move then he shouldn't be in a position of authority.
That isn't what is happening. Basically the cops are saying sure! you have the right to protest! but not there. Or there. Or there or there. Are you disobeying me!? BAM! Mace in yo face son. And we're going to crack your head wide open with this baton, then you're going to jail. That'll teach you not to bow down and cower before us!
That's the type of that is causing a bunch of uproar.
Exactly, and this is exactly how they incite conflict where there isn't any, and it all snowballs from there.
That blanket statement you just made is complete and total bull and any intelligent person knows it.
Besides, "peaceful" has nothing to do with "lawful". People get arrested every day for "peaceful" crimes.
They aren't doing anything unlawful either. Excuse me for using the words interchangeably, but let's not let this devolve into a semantics argument.
This article will help to explain the NYPD's response a bit.
http://www.disinfo.com/2011/10/jp-mo...e-of-protests/
JP Morgan Chase Donates $4.6 Million To NYPD On Eve Of Protests
Posted by JacobSloan on October 3, 2011
Wondering how much it costs to buy off the police department? JP Morgan Chase just gave the New York City Police Foundation the largest donation in its history. How the police show their gra ude will presumably determine whether they receive similar donations from companies in the future. Via Naked Capitalism:
No matter how you look at this development, it does not smell right. From JP Morgan’s website, hat tip Lisa Epstein:
JPMorgan Chase recently donated an unprecedented $4.6 million to the New York City Police Foundation. The gift was the largest in the history of the foundation and will enable the New York City Police Department to strengthen security in the Big Apple. The money will pay for 1,000 new patrol car laptops, as well as security monitoring software in the NYPD’s main data center.Now readers can point out that this gift is bupkis relative to the budget of the police department, which is close to $4 billion. But looking at it on a mathematical basis likely misses the incentives at work. Dimon is one of the most powerful and connected corporate leaders in Gotham City. If he thinks the police donation was worthwhile, he might encourage other bank and big company CEOs to make large donations.
New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly sent CEO and Chairman Jamie Dimon a note expressing “profound gra ude” for the company’s donation.
“These officers put their lives on the line every day to keep us safe,” Dimon said. “We’re incredibly proud to help them build this program and let them know how much we value their hard work.”
And what sort of benefits might JPM get? The police might be extra protective of your interests. Today, OccupyWallStreet decided to march across the Brooklyn Bridge (a proud New York tradition) to Chase Manhattan Plaza in Brooklyn. Reports in the media indicate that the police at first seemed to be encouraging the protestors not only to cross the bridge, but were walking in front of the crowd, seemingly escorting them across. Over 700 of the marchers were arrested, and the media has a rather amusing “he said, she said” account, with OccupyWallStreet claiming entrapment and the cops batting their baby blues and trying to look innocent.
We simply don’t know whether the police would have behaved one iota differently in the absence of the JP Morgan donation. But it raises the troubling perspective that they might have.
Are you trying to tell us that on October 1st they didn't shut down the Brooklyn Bridge?
Semantics??????
You are trying to make the case that it is OK to break the law peacefully.
When a cop asks you to move and you refuse that is breaking the law.
Blanket statement IMO. Not all of the protesters who have been unlawfully arrested were standing on the bridge. These protests are all over and a lot of the violence hasn't even taken place in New York at all. This footage was shot at Occupy Seattle.
The thing is, these protests are springing up all over the nation and the police response has been overwhelming in an attempt to squash it.
No, let me make it clear. Those people who were involved in the blocking of the bridge that particular day deserved whatever response was given in that particular instance. But the entire past month of occupy protests all over the COUNTRY didn't happen in the vaccuum of the brooklyn bridge. In many other cases, the police have acted out of line.Semantics??????
You are trying to make the case that it is OK to break the law peacefully.
And you are making the assertion that all these innocent people are being arrested when you do not know the specific details of the specific arrests.
I'm not saying the police are always perfect.
I'm saying that your unsubstantiated blanket assertion of crowd innocence is a typical OWS sheeple move and I am throwing the bull flag.
I think your blanket statement of since a few protesters blocked the bridge, all protesters are in the wrong is a lot more slanted than my view on the cops behavior. The evidence is overwhelming and Fox won't have none of it.
So if a cop Rang my door bell, told me to leave my house until he allowed me to come back with no explanation or justification, I'd be breaking the law if I refused to?
I can post a video where a cop came INSIDE a guys house, wouldn't leave when told to (there was no warrant) and arrested the guy for filming him IN HIS OWN HOUSE. That scenario of yours isn't even that outlandish at all, i know the answer you were looking for is "no it isn't breaking the law" but today you could actually be arrested that way.
YH and Cosmic both being dumb
- no the protesters should not expect a beatdown if they refuse to budge
- but no a few beatdowns in 30 days of mass protests does not equal police brutality
Can you do ent a case where that has really happened?
Using your hypothetical, however, if a train derailed and was leaking chlorine gas just hundreds of feet from your house as I understand it, he would be within his legal right to demand that you evacuate your house without a warrant. In that situation when both oh your lives were in danger he probably wouldn't have time to explain in detail the dangers of breathing Cl in a vaporous state.
i already conceded that the people blocking the bridge should have moved and the police had every right to use force in that particular instance. the problem is, you're looking at the situation with a very narrow scope if you just pick out that one particular instance. i'm talking about the cases where people are just getting pulled out of the crowd at random and beaten.
- no the protesters should not expect a beatdown if they refuse to budge
- but no a few beatdowns in 30 days of mass protests does not equal police brutality
That's quite a straw man you've constructed there, eww so lifelike.
I wasn't asking if it's ever happened, I'm asking if that would be breaking the law, because according to your blanket statement it would.
It ain't right...if it ain't WHITE!!!
- no the protesters should not expect a beatdown if they refuse to budge
- but no a few beatdowns in 30 days of mass protests does not equal police brutality
No he wouldn't be.
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