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If 33-40 wasn't Kobe tossing in the towel, then that's pretty pathetic tbh.
Don't drag my people into this unholy conspiracy. Kobe didn't toss the towel when he tore his wrist ligaments. He grabbed a gaggle of jacks & timbers and he started back down. You didn't see my people downstairs egg him on to quit & tank.
Uh, uh. You & your people have debased yourselves since Manu broke his hand, imploring and beseeching the team to tank.
Find the bag after the next home game and tell him what his fans are proposing and see what he does, Base. Yeah, do that, Base.
If 33-40 wasn't Kobe tossing in the towel, then that's pretty pathetic tbh.
I'm thinking the Spurs have a real chance to lose 7 in a row if not more. Our best chances to win will be at home. NO TEAM is an automatic "W" for us.
That's conjecture. What's been proposed on this Board since Manu broke his hand is out & out cowardice. If you & your people are so sure of yourselves I again call on you to present to the bag your strategy. See what he thinks about it. You know what? You wouldn't do it, because you know you'd break his heart. You know what you're doing here is wrong, but, you've nary the conviction to get your own jacks & timbers and start back down unless you have EVERYTHING your way.
That's chicken , and you know it.
Tanking is the way to go...no one gives a if you approve or not...
Now people want to trade Manu.
A little too late now with the injury. You needed to trade him last summer when he was healthy and had more value.
Because you're afraid to try and fail, so you just punt the ball on third & 30.Tanking is the way to go...no one gives a if you approve or not...
That's a disgrace.
Gettting stuck in the middle is the worst way to go.
Having a seed 6 to 8 and getting bounced in the first round is not as good as missing the playoffs and landing the big lottery draft pick. Drafting is the only way the Spurs add talent and the sooner they can get a lottery pick the better for the rebuilding process to begin.
I don't expect the spurs to tank unless Duncan also goes down to injury in the next couple of months.
Spurs WILL NOT tank until TD retires. Simple as that.
I think Anderson should start in Gino's place, and then Neal can work his way from the bench. Hopefully him and TP can make up for Gino's scoring, but the playmaking is what we'll really miss.
any good 7 footers in next year's draft?
That kind of thinking is what will keep the Spurs mired in mediocrity until the big 3 are gone...than we will be the Las Vegas Spurs.
Only way to give Duncan another chance at a le is to sit him now and reload with draft help. If not, the exact same flawed team will be back for Duncan's final years...only older and more broken down.
I totally hear you, and don't even disagree really. I just can't see SA "sacrificing" a year until TD retires. They already know he's on his last legs, and if they wanted to tank, maybe Duncan would rather sign with a contender in the offseason (I hope not, but wouldn't be mad at him if he did).
I agree with Bruno, who said we can't overreact to one player being gone for 4-6 weeks (hopefully it's closer to 4 since it's just his pinky).
I still think we can get the 5th or 6th seed until Gino gets back and then make a push and peak heading into the playoffs.
Duncan stopped being Duncan more than one year ago. Manu not being at 100% again this year is a damn wild assumption for an injury that should sidelined him 4-6 weeks.
I'm not against rebuilding, I'm just saying that it isn't the right time to do so.
After the playoffs loss against Memphis, rebuilding was a good option. In a couple of months, if Spurs are way below .500, rebuilding would be a good option.
Spurs made the choice of not blowing up the team this summer. There are no reasons or incentives to do it 5 games into the season because Manu is out for one month.
I completely disagree. Either tank right now and commit to it to get a high draft pick in a relatively strong draft or make some F.O. moves (read: sign a scorer) and fight like to keep the ship afloat until Manu's return.
And regarding the earlier note that Manu is untouchable, he is not. But trading him right now would fundamentally be a bad GM move as he is at his lowest value. Really if anyone were to go it would be Parker, and that would have to be a steal of a deal for this F.O. to consider it. It would also likely involve going for youth and a backup PG and tanking/rebuilding.
a. Tank
b. Fight for the playoffs
What are the Spurs going to decide to do?
I just don't see the team surviving this schedule and having anything left with Manu out a month or more. They had nothing in the tank by April last season, and it's going to be way worse this time around.
In theory, tanking isn't a bad idea. But how would the Spurs go about tanking now? I just don't see a way to tank. You can't tell TD to fake an injury now to help his future because he might not have a future. Trading TP now would be dumb because his value is too low after a bad playoff run and a slow start to this season.
The only thing that makes sense right now is to play it out. If TD or TP get injured, the tanking could take care of itself. Or come the trade deadline, the situation could change to where making a trade would make sense. But for now, it's not as simple as pressing a reset button.
And while the strength of this year's draft is appealing, rebuilding is a long, slow, ugly process. Once the TD era is over, it could be decades before the Spurs are ever championship contenders again. There's shouldn't a rush to get there. They'll have their chances to strike gold in multiple drafts once the time comes.
While I'm certainly not advocating for tanking, the truth is TD's era as a championship contender is over. No matter how well Manu and Tony play or how well Leonard and Anderson progress, this team is not a contender with Tim Duncan the way he is right now.
With the way Tim is looking, I don't see how he comes back next season, so it boils down to either rebuilding this season or rebuilding next season with a weak draft. As much as it'll suck in the short term, I think it makes the most sense long term to throw the season. I mean, no improvements in the roster, a schedule that's going to run the team into the ground, and now Parker and Duncan having to play balls-out and fatigue themselves even worse just to stay above water with Manu out? This team looked completely dead by last April and with a much tougher schedule and another year of age, I don't see what the goal is supposed to be. They looked so beaten into the ground by the playoffs that I fail to see how they'd have won any hypothetical playoff matchup other than one against New Orleans. They came two miracle shots from being dominated in 5.
It may very well happens. I'm just advocating to wait a little before deciding to rebuild or not. If in 25 games, the team record is 10-20 then rebuilding is likely the best option. If Spurs have a 15-15 record in 25 games, they should postponed the rebuilding process to give Tim a decent end of career.
Valid points. What would your tanking gameplan entail?
Kobe tanked... then quit. Then raped and snitched.
That's chicken , and you know it, Victor.
I'm not sure exactly right now; I was really hoping for the Paul to the Clippers deal to die so the Spurs could have jumped in and gotten the Minnesota pick and a signed Jordan for Tony, priming the Clippers for a run at Howard and giving the Spurs a great shot at two lotto picks to pick up some forwards.
Agree with this. I think the forthcoming record/production will naturally indicate the way the team's gonna go.
Then again, their signing of Caron Butler may have still made that impossible now that I look at the numbers more.
Never denied it.
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