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He did do a nice troll job.
Oh and by the way, Bonner sucks.
He did do a nice troll job.
Wait, it gets better. By using Dean Oliver's defensive rating estimate on basektball-reference.com, Bruce Bowen was the worst defender on the team during the 2005 season.
Do you still think it means points given up per 100 possessions?
Bowen didn't get steals or blocks so these types of "estimates" were absolutely worthless.
Timvp has lost it
During the 2007 championship season, Bowen tied with Finley and Beno
Timvp IS itzso. It totally makes sense.
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Timvp has lost it
Honestly, though, I see where he got confused. Basektball-reference.com isn't too specific about the origins of that stat. I'm pretty sure he was legitimately confused but if that was a troll job, it was a of a troll job. He got me.
Drop the bombs , Itzso. Drop.It.
Timvp, welcome to my world. Defending bonner, no matter how strong your argument is, only results in all the spurstalk idiots coming out of the wood work. Ive defended bonner for two years straight now, only using facts, yet people use their eyes and only see an awkward white dude who runs like a t-rex and has the worst dribble drive in history of league.
Ironic that only the highly reapected poaters such as myself are the only ones who appreciate what bonner brings to this team in a limited role.
People use this quote way too often. Its a ing useless point. Sorry.
It's over.
The ironic thing is I'm not even defending Bonner. I've given up on him being a playoff contributor on a championship team. I dislike Bonner as much as the average SpursTalk user.
I was just defending the stats. Bro called me everything but timvp before I had time to refresh...
The dude has sucked repeatedly in the playoffs, no doubt. But at the same time, he almost single handedly won game 1 last year. If we cut bonner tomorrow, what kind of teams would like to have him? Miami... Chicago... Contenders that need outside shooting would love to have him in a limited role.
Alot of bonners playoff failures can be attributed to the overall ineffectiveness of the big three though. Bonner is not a guy who can create his shot, and he doeant have the quickest release. I saw his issues as more of his defender not having to help as much, moreso than him choking.
Oh and to break it out even further, here's his formula for "stops" used in the stop% section.
Stops = steals + blocks x FMwt x (1-1.07 x opp OR%) + DR + (1-FMwt)
I hope I can find the software for my capture card online, dude is terrible defensively just horrible.
The defensive rating of basketball-reference fits much better with the reality of who is a better defensive player.
Some kind of stats can be real numbers but they are garbage because every player is playing a different role in a very different situation so you can't compare his work. +/- is one of this fake stats to me
Bonner's stats per 48 minutes are funny.Our defense is better but our offense is worse when he's playing. I agree with one
You could point out terrible defensive possessions for every spurs player... No one is mistaking this spurs group with the spurs of 4-5 years ago defensively. Bonner at least plays with effort at that end consistantly.. and for a player out there mainly for his offensive contributions, anything he does defensively is just a bonus.
During the 2007 championship season, Bowen tied with Finley and Beno
Bowen seems to be one of the few ones who breaks the rule.
Anyway it fits better the defensive skills than the "real" defensive rating.That's sure. But it's far away to be perfect
So Bowen was the team's worst defender in 2005 and tied with Finley and Beno in 2007? That basketball-reference.com stat by Dean Oliver is extremely limited unless you think defense can be judged by blocks and steals.
Edit:
I really don't understand why it's necessary to use an estimate when you can just find and use the real thing. I guess it can be useful in some cases when you are trying to judge similar players.
To me, the only way to tell if someone is a bad defender is to watch the games. Any formula you create for defense (whether it's elaborate like Oliver's or simple) is going to only be "accurate" for certain players. It's interesting to read some of Oliver's old stuff though when he's developing the formula and tweaking it to account for this and that. Obviously it's not a fool-proof formula but interesting nonetheless.
So I just got back from doing groceries... where we at? Do I still need to apologize?
As far as chazley is concerned, I want him to start spinning Matt's 3P% this season... pronto
Winner... and I've given props to Bonner for the 2 good defensive plays he had this season (suck on that Uriel
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