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The Pistons aren't double teaming Duncan. Rather the change it up on him to throw him off rythem. Dice, Sheed and Ben take turns guarding him and occasional help comes to keep Tim guessing. No need to double. If he gets his fine.
Barry played 11 minutes last night..I don't see how many more minutes they could take up...He's 1 of 2 from the 3pt line...What did Devin at 2 for 8 from the field do?
Tim needs to get other people involved in the offense. His moves are predictable and methodical..no pump fakes nothing. There is no inside outside game either. He needs to play off of the guys standing around watching him turn and shoot. He's got 2 to 3 guys collapsing on him, which means there are 2 to 3 guys open. We aren't doing a good job of that...
The Pistons aren't double teaming Duncan. Rather the change it up on him to throw him off rythem. Dice, Sheed and Ben take turns guarding him and occasional help comes to keep Tim guessing. No need to double. If he gets his fine.
He is now.......but instead of Nazr.....move Tim to Center and GRob at the 4 spot......you double Tim and GRob can hit the open shot and vice-versa......I say try it.....what do we have to lose? Can't get too mush worse offensively.....plus GRob is a good rebounder.
Horry needs that wideopen three to make it.
There are guys rotating over to help when he's in the post...Its not a total collapse but they are basically "cheating" over to get near him..Thats why he keeps getting the ball knocked out of his hands every other posession.
Then Duncan needs to work on his ball handling and quit being such a butterfingers. I've seen it happend to him ten thousand times. TP/Manu throw it into the post either the guards stand there or cut and each time Timmy pivots there is another person there to swipe at the ball. Now if the guards cut then they're maybe three people there but, if the guards do not cut and Timmy pivots there are obviously only two and usually it might be the other big cheating of his man that's when Duncan finds whoever and they have a easy layup. Also this might sound dumb but, instead of pivoting towards the middle into traffic why not try to go baseline and free up the middle so hopefully someone else can come in and cut through in the free spots in the middle.
Last edited by E20; 06-17-2005 at 03:49 PM.
And he'll get that at the begining, which is the time Detroit is really focus on TD, with both bigs. Maybe.
Why would Det double when the 3 is what killed them in games 1 and 2? They will gladley give Duncan 20-30 and Ginobili 20-25 and keep the rest of the team in single digits.
Judging by his history I think the Pistons might be a little bit more quicker on there rotations towars Horry.
Starting Horry is a good idea. Then bring in the other three backup bigs for short stints. Tell them they need to bust their ass and hand out some hard fouls, or they sit. They need to match the Pistons energy.
What's wrong with putting Rasho back in the starting lineup?
He's a better defender than Nazr anyway...and he's got better hands too...
They should start Devin Brown for Parker.
I have reservations about this...
Robert Horry has not shown that he can stop Rasheed Wallace from getting easy baskets, and if you put Duncan on Rasheed, Ben Wallace will clean up on the offensive boards.
What has Rasho proved to be a starter? Horry would be the best choice in my opinion.
Do you mean: get Robert's minutes up to 40 from 20, to keep him on the court with Tim's 40 mins?
I'd say 30 minutes because he is a veteran and give the rest to Mohammad.
This isn't fair, I brought this up in chat last night
Good take Kori, I'm with ya.
I totally agree with your suggestion, Kori! How can we make Pop do this? I was thinking about this earlier today (i spend way too much time thinking about the Spurs) - with Horry at PF, that would put Duncan on Ben, and give us five players all capable of driving in, committing and receiving hard fouls, who can bang up the Pistons early in the game.
Nazr has sucked, and I gave up on him earlier in the year but I'm not ready to do so. The fact is that if Nazr can just stop his damn butter fingers and fall back to what he's done the entire playoffs he'd be awesome in.
I also wouldn't mind seeing more Rasho if he does continue to suck.
I think your idea has merit, though. Horry's defense does worry me, because his defense rebounding sucks and thats an area we're getting killed in. Rasheed has also scored on him at will and if Rasheed goes off we're going to be hurting as well.
I really wish we could count on Nazr to step it up and fall back onto his regular game, but wishing is going to get us . I wouldn't be upset to see this gamble, but thats what it is - a gamble. At this point, maybe it is time to roll the dice.
Instead of counting on Nazr to have a good game, why don't we count on Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, and Tony Parker to have good games. When they have good games it is MUCH EASIER to involve everyone else. I think those three set the tone on how the team is gonna play through the rest of the game.
Exactly.
This is pretty much word for word what I said earlier, so I agree.
That's all there is too it.
I think they might HAVE to start horry because his Ben cant just leave him open. And with Ben out on the perimeter duncan can go one on one with rasheed unless they double him with prince but that would leave manugino open.
Yep they have to start him.
I don't think starting Horry would make much difference.
If I was the Pistons, I'd figure that Horry picks his spots and is never going to be a bulk scorer, so why change? He not going to go off on you for 20, so let him get his 10-15 points and keep locking down Tim. Plus, Horry might then be too tired to do much in the fourth.
Start Horry. Might as well. Then, hopefully Nazr will come in when one of the wallace's aren't in, and he can go to work, grab his offensive rebounds, and give us some energy.
If they start horry and ben continuously leaves him wide open I think he could do enough damage to make one of the post players leave Duncan.His 3s would have to be consistent though. they could live with 1 out of 5 3s from Horry but if horry could get his shot going and hit his open shots they the pistons would have to pay some attention to him.
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