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    I like that play by Green at the end. It's just unfortunate that he missed. It would be nice to have someone who can get to the basket like that other than Parker and Ginobli.
    I'm not convinced he didn't get sideswiped or touched on the wrist while in the air by the G.S. defender flying in the air past him, the replay was inconclusive. But it sure appeared something took the wind out of that shot.

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    I'm not convinced he didn't get sideswiped or touched on the wrist while in the air by the G.S. defender flying in the air past him, the replay was inconclusive. But it sure appeared something took the wind out of that shot.
    Same here.

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    I rewatched the game, and one other thing I completely forgot about after all that drama at the end is how many times the half court offense went to complete with both Tony and Tim out there... Everybody standing around, not much action going on followed by a rushed shot to beat the shot clock... I understand that missing Manu is obviously a big part of that, but I thought they were real bad last night for stretches.

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    I rewatched the game, and one other thing I completely forgot about after all that drama at the end is how many times the half court offense went to complete with both Tony and Tim out there... Everybody standing around, not much action going on followed by a rushed shot to beat the shot clock... I understand that missing Manu is obviously a big part of that, but I thought they were real bad last night for stretches.
    I used to notice that last year whenever Hill went in for TP. Much as some around here don't like to admit it, TP is the only point guard that has been able to run Pop's offense. The team loses when he is out for long periods.

    My only problem with TP has been that when Manu is in, Manu doesn't get enough touches because TP wouldn't give it to him. Now, with Manu out, it is all up to TP. He is holding up his end of the bargain. The rest of the team cannot back him up.

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    It's a bad loss but if Spurs beat Rockets today, this loss will be erased. b2b on the road won't be easy but Rockets suck so you never know...

    Neal has been bad this year. He is a liability when he doesn't hit his shots. Pop should really consider giving Anderson another shot.

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    My sentiments exactly regarding feeding Tiago more.

    What is the most glaring though in this game they lost (and the one's they've won) is the points in the paint other teams bigs AND perimeter players are racking up against the Spurs.

    They are ranked 22nd in the league allowing points in the paint. 19th in overall defense. And a dismal next to last in the league at allowing points in away games at 105. Only Charollete is worst on the road.

    They are ranked 5th best in the league at scoring though...so...offense isn't the issue.

    What to do about their extremely poor post interior defense? I have no clue or if it's even feasible to fix this year if there were an answer.
    Unfortunately, THAT is a conundrum that will not get resolved this season.

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    He couldn't pass the ball, picked up his dribble, couldn't hit a shot, couldn't play defense and was piss poor holding the popcorn.
    He had one turnover first thing, then once he settled down he passed the ball fine. He didn't bring the ball up enough to pick up his dribble, but if he did it once, I'm not sure how that's a big deal. His defense was fine, as his man maybe scored one bucket in six minutes while the rest of the Kings went off like it was an all-star game.

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    I bet folks won't admit it, but they are having second thoughts about that KL for Hill swap and wishing for Hill back. You could always count on Hill to be healthy and ready to step in for either Parker or Parker's backup. With the emergence of Green as a potential RJ backup the spurs would have been covered at every position and not in the current bind they find themselves in.
    Let me think about it ... nope, not at all. I'd rather have KL than Hill seven days a week. Hill's as often as not a ty point guard. It's on the Spurs that they don't play the guy they drafted when injuries pop up. There's way too much depth at that position to be pining for Hill, especially with as good as Leonard has been.

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    I expect the Rockets to go off from the 3 again with some decent inside contributions from Scola (not a stretch).

    Spurs seem to still be fiddling with the rotations and everyone other than Tim and Tony are lost as .

    Tim needs to be more decisive though, he's holding the ball when he used to just let it fly. Players are waiting too long to being their move to the basket, waiting for the defense to adjust. No one has any confidence, it's as if Pop has put a hefty fine on making a mistake vs not doing anything.

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    Let me think about it ... nope, not at all. I'd rather have KL than Hill seven days a week. Hill's as often as not a ty point guard. It's on the Spurs that they don't play the guy they drafted when injuries pop up. There's way too much depth at that position to be pining for Hill, especially with as good as Leonard has been.
    Same here. One lackluster game and the natives are already having buyers remorse on KL? Ridiculous. Of course his offense is lagging behind, and his 3-pt shooting isn't as good as it's going to be. However, his rebounding and defense are already miles ahead of what anyone could've expected.

    Hill, on the other hand, while a very good player most of the time, had pretty much topped his ceiling. He likely wasn't going to get much better.

    Anyone how wants a redux on the Hill-for-Leonard trade cannot possibly see the present and isn't looking at the big picture.

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    Same here. One lackluster game and the natives are already having buyers remorse on KL? Ridiculous. Of course his offense is lagging behind, and his 3-pt shooting isn't as good as it's going to be. However, his rebounding and defense are already miles ahead of what anyone could've expected.

    Hill, on the other hand, while a very good player most of the time, had pretty much topped his ceiling. He likely wasn't going to get much better.

    Anyone how wants a redux on the Hill-for-Leonard trade cannot possibly see the present and isn't looking at the big picture.
    I'm just looking at the picture that includes Green. Hill + Green is a nice backcourt to have coming off the bench. If Green doesn't lose that passport and stays in Europe, then ya one could make the argument the spurs are probably better off (assuming that KL continues steady improvement).

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    Same here. One lackluster game and the natives are already having buyers remorse on KL? Ridiculous. Of course his offense is lagging behind, and his 3-pt shooting isn't as good as it's going to be. However, his rebounding and defense are already miles ahead of what anyone could've expected.

    Hill, on the other hand, while a very good player most of the time, had pretty much topped his ceiling. He likely wasn't going to get much better.

    Anyone how wants a redux on the Hill-for-Leonard trade cannot possibly see the present and isn't looking at the big picture.
    Tjastal will be crossing you off his Christmas card list.

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    Neal has been bad this year. He is a liability when he doesn't hit his shots. Pop should really consider giving Anderson another shot.
    My thought exactly. Its a shame Anderson lost confidence but its impossible for him to regain it if he gets no playing time. Right now actually would be the perfect timing for JA to step up his play since nobody is hitting their 3's and Neal has been flat.

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    Tjastal will be crossing you off his Christmas card list.
    What was I thinking?

    But wait, he and I will always be "joined in unison" on the Ian Mahinmi diatribes, so that should count for something.

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    I'm just looking at the picture that includes Green. Hill + Green is a nice backcourt to have coming off the bench. If Green doesn't lose that passport and stays in Europe, then ya one could make the argument the spurs are probably better off (assuming that KL continues steady improvement).
    There's nothing that Hill provides that the Spurs can't get from the players they have. That they refuse to play certain players is a long-standing Spurs problem that's unrelated to the situation. If the Spurs didn't want to play a rookie point guard, then perhaps they should have traded their draft pick for a vet. They didn't.

    There's nobody on the roster that does what Leonard can do, that much is evident from just a few games.

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    There's nothing that Hill provides that the Spurs can't get from the players they have. That they refuse to play certain players is a long-standing Spurs problem that's unrelated to the situation. If the Spurs didn't want to play a rookie point guard, then perhaps they should have traded their draft pick for a vet. They didn't.

    There's nobody on the roster that does what Leonard can do, that much is evident from just a few games.
    I've been pleasantly surprised by Leonard so far, I just think Green is better at the 2 if that's where Pop plans on using him mostly.

    Where I can see a few extra uses for Leonard is against the thunder (Durant). Not convinced however that Green couldn't D up KD. Green's rebounding isn't too shabby either. Just sayin'.

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    Leonard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Green when defending the ball.

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    I haven't seen any defense from Green to make me think he's an adequate replacement for Hill, let alone Leonard. He's a good scorer and doesn't seem to fall asleep on defense too often.

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    Green looks like his ceiling is a Manu Ginobili type defender. In other words, not someone you put on the ball but someone who can make a huge impact on that end by wreaking havoc.

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    Green is chaos. Agree with the Manu comparison on that extent. Chaos can sometimes work out and sometimes it does not. But the effort is there to cause chaos and make things happen. He has a hounding and relentlessness about him, that I really appreciate.

    Hope he keeps growing and improving, because we really need a spark like that.

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