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Marcus Denmon @MizzouMonster12
Glad to b apart of such a great organization , excited about the opportunity, ready to work #spurs
At least he's not french, tbh
Marcus Denmon @MizzouMonster12
Glad to b apart of such a great organization , excited about the opportunity, ready to work #spurs
he sounds way more comfortable at playing the point than gary neal has..
maybe spurs think diaw is a lock to come back
"Someone that can shoot lights out and contribute at the 2 spot? We've gotta make him a point guard."
That's like saying hey.. Earl Boykins made it in the NBA, he has a chance.
You sound surprised... sources didn't tell you about this move? crofl
After some quick research, I like the pick. 99% chance he doesn't make it but he fits the typical mold of second round gems. In the second round, the players who make it are usually players who have a serious flaw that they are able to overcome. The players who don't make it are usually the ones who fit the NBA prototype but simply lack the necessary skills.
Denmon on paper has the skills to make it. Good scorer. Extremely efficient. His steals and rebounds point to him being an above average athlete. He's shown improvement from year to year. Plus, his team success shouldn't be ignored.
The only glaring flaw is his size. He's short and his wingspan isn't anything special. There's a 99% chance that flaw will kill his NBA chances. But if he is able to find a way to overcome that flaw -- either by switching to point guard or getting strong enough to defend shooting guards while shooting quickly enough to avoid length -- he has the requisite ability to make it.
@ the philosophy behind the pick
Interesting comparison table from the Wages of Wins article tells me we might have another "steal" here. I mean what do we expect at 59th pick, a Michael Jordan or Derrick Rose?
The following table compares Denmon’s statistics with the average college small forward and with the shooting guards in Draft Express’s Top 100 Prospects. Before you get confused, let me explain. Because of Missouri’s lack of size this year, Denmon played more minutes at small forward than at shooting guard. Accordingly, it is more appropriate to compare him to players who actually played the same position as him this season. At the same time, Denmon will unquestionably play shooting guard if he plays in the NBA. And since Draft Express categorizes players by their probable NBA position, it is more appropriate to compare him to shooting guards in Draft Express’s Top 100 for the purpose of a future compe ion comparison.
STAT AVG. SF SGS IN DE TOP 100 MARCUS DENMON
eFG% 48.9% 53.4% 58.4%
TS% 52.8% 57.5% 67.6%
3P% 34.6% 38.2% 41.0%
FT% 71.0% 74.0% 90.2%
Reb40 5.74 5.51 5.89
DReb40 4.11 4.24 4.39
OReb40 1.64 1.27 1.50
Ast40 2.24 2.95 2.61
Stl40 1.34 1.56 1.76
Blk40 0.43 0.46 0.04
TO40 2.45 2.71 1.36
PF40 3.20 2.45 1.08
Points!40 13.89 19.75 21.12
WS40 2.81 4.84 9.04
Marcus Denmon is good at, well, everything. But he is exceptionally good at shooting efficiently and taking care of the basketball. He is great at shooting threes and even better at the free throw line. These strike me as attributes that will translate well into the pro game. Let’s focus again on Nelson’s observations: Denmon shoots with great efficiency because he has a great shot selection; his inability to create his own shot might be an issue. In other words, Denmon doesn’t and won’t force shots. This sounds like a player who could make a substantial positive contribution at shooting guard, which is without question the weakest position in the NBA. And while the position generally weak, teams often put too heavy an emphasis on it (a phenomenon I’ll call the Michael Jordan Effect). Many teams, probably unreasonably, elect to build their offenses around volume shooting 2-guards. In turn, efficient but small guards get overlooked for want of 6-6, 216 guys with “potential.”
From what I am reading elsewhere and from what Timvp says, Denmon seems the typical Spurs pick (from the domestics)... possible steal and decent potential. I hope this pans out. In any case, I had the least expectations out of this draft and so if Denmon even makes the team as the 13th/14th man a la James Anderson, I will be happy.
After some quick research, I like the pick. 99% chance he doesn't make it but he fits the typical mold of second round gems. In the second round, the players who make it are usually players who have a serious flaw that they are able to overcome. The players who don't make it are usually the ones who fit the NBA prototype but simply lack the necessary skills.
Denmon on paper has the skills to make it. Good scorer. Extremely efficient. His steals and rebounds point to him being an above average athlete. He's shown improvement from year to year. Plus, his team success shouldn't be ignored.
The only glaring flaw is his size. He's short and his wingspan isn't anything special. There's a 99% chance that flaw will kill his NBA chances. But if he is able to find a way to overcome that flaw -- either by switching to point guard or getting strong enough to defend shooting guards while shooting quickly enough to avoid length -- he has the requisite ability to make it.
Way too much optimism.
People need to realize it's the #59 pick... if he survives the 1st year, it's almost a success already... anything more than that is gravy...
Or its like saying these 13 current NBA players are the same height or shorter and still became NBA all stars so lack of height doesn't doom this guy from the start. That is all that was intended. But I suspect you know that. Or maybe you're slow. Either way I could care less.
Its a late 2nd round pick. Nothing to get excited about but the Spurs have found diamonds in the rough before so who knows.
Overall, NBA.com has positive things to say about his game. They definitely bumped up their production value because I don't remember their draft coverage ever being this good (aesthetically):
http://www.nba.com/draft/2012/prospects/marcus-denmon/
There are some real interesting things in the stat table I posted earlier where Denmon is compared to the Draft Express Top 100 SFs and SGs. And they don't involve scoring.
1. Better than average rebounds overall and defensive rebounds and better O rebounds than SGs probably shows he is smart at positioning himself since he isn't terribly tall or heavy. If he can play smart and box out, then his size deficiency may be overcome?
2. Better than average steals may mean he's aggressive on defense and has the ability to anticipate.
3. Combining the stat on steals with low PF rate may indicate good footwork and BB IQ?
It's always a plus when a shooter can do other things.
I find it hilarious that so many people are ing about this pick. It was the second to last pick in the draft, were you all expecting an all-star or something? Anyone who followed college basketball and Mizzou this year know's this kid can ball. He's a deadly shooter, the only knock is his size. He's 6'3 with shoes on and says can handle the ball well and if that's the case then he at least has a shot at backup PG. Let him show what's got in summer league, you never know until they compete. On top of that he's another high character guy. I'm happy we drafted him over some teenage European who we wouldn't even see for another 5 years. I hope he silences the haters.
Thank you! A voice of reason for once. It's the second to last pick of the draft. You wanted a bigger splash on draft night? Then root for a losing team during the regular season and you'll enjoy draft night more. I hear the Hornets are desperate for fans.
People are so spoiled after Manu Ginobili. It's like how every Cowboys fan thinks all their UDFA's are the next Romo or Austin.
Didn't the Kings draft Isaiah Thomas late in the second round last season? There's proof right there that you can draft a small guard late in the second round and have him become a rotation player. He even started around half their games.
I'm curious, does anyone think the plan might be the draft n' stash Denmon? He can still play summer league but just can't attend training camp.
Remember, McClinton was offered that route and instead he forced the team's hand and signed his tender. But another late round pick, James Gist, went to Europe and developed over there for a few seasons. Sure, it didn't work out for Gist, but he was the 57th pick - again, not a high chance of success on either.
i wonder if there was any interest at all in Robert Sacre......
You guys are getting way too excited over the 59th pick.
Yeah tbh if he makes the roster let alone be a rotation player I'd consider that a major coup. But at the least it's a low risk, good reward pick.
Undersized for his position, but given how many scoring PGs there are in the league, he could upgrade his game if he added ball-handling.
I'd be curious to see what percentage of players make the day one roster that are taken in the late second round (ie, 50-60). I think the number might be a sobering reminder to some.
In the late second you don't draft for need, you draft whomever the you think has the talent to actually make it in the league.
im hearing this guy is a good defender and the fact that he compares himself to avery bradley tells me a lot
i think people are blowing the height thing out of proportion
the top SGs arent 6'7 guards who post everybody up
that beal kid is like 6'4
6'4 seems to be the new height of SGs in the undersized nba
with the new up and comers
eric gordon
beal
rivers
marcus thornton
marshon brooks
etc
all 6'4
id like to see mills leave because hes a streaky shooter/undersized/not good defensively/0 court vision
he could become the PG/SG for the bench unit and bring in a lot of energy defensively which the current second unit lacks
spurs.com says his favorite food is tacos. Thats fuel of a champion around here.
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