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No, i will not admit that every news outlet in the country not owned by Rupert Murdoch does that. Thats just stupid.
As someone who works in the petroleum industry and who would benefit from the Keystone pipeline..... Shut your stupid ignorant mouth.
No, i will not admit that every news outlet in the country not owned by Rupert Murdoch does that. Thats just stupid.
CNN and MSNBC are specious too. I have no doubt that you earnestly believe this but I am sure you have seen the collage of the hundreds of Fox News cast banners. All that is a collage on tickers that did not match the newscast usually in a very exaggerative politically biased manner.
That in and of itself calls your statement into question.
What does your ROI look like in terms of months/years?
I'm certainly hoping that the cost has really dropped dramatically.
Found a San Antonio specific site...480 residential projects completed to date at an average cost of $5.87 a watt. That changes things if the cost hasn't come down significantly...a 12,500 watt installation at that price would be $73,000. eek! So that cost wold result in a net cost of $33,600 after the rebate and the tax credit...not nearly as good of a return...using the 5.4 sun/hour figure from a chart I found it would generate an annual savings of $2094...or a return of 6.23%...hmmmm
http://www.solarsanantonio.org/
7 years pay off, but I'm a light consumer of electricity, esp no a/c during the day when I'm at work.
If I sold the house to people who stayed there all day (retired couple), then the payback would be much faster. In CA, houses with solar sell for more than houses w/o.
Yeah, I'm definitely doing this remodeling to add value and also enjoy it till I sell...Selling this house is part of my long term retirement plan...If I add another 1000 sf and go solar I'm pretty sure I could ask $700,000 on a quick sale with the property it's on and the other stuff (barn/arena).
Even at a 6% return it still makes sense to do it with interest rates at 4%.
Still, that's a pretty good payoff, bd. Good move. And yeah, I'd think that would add considerably to the resale of the property even outside of CA.
s yeah. You're leveraging at a +2pts!
My bills are incredible. I might have to look into this.
you guys are wimps. i want my house to run directly off crude.
That goes both ways. I remember when all the MSM said that bush was creating a recession because unemployment was at 5%. Now we are out of one if we get to 8%
Hmmm....talked to a contractor. They are still trying to stick at around $5 a watt. Said theres a bill in congress to put a tariff on Chineses solar panels that looks like it will pass and drive the cost right back up. I'll have to check that out.
http://www.marke ch.com/story/itc...rms-2011-12-02
The U.S. International Trade Commission voted Friday to continue investigating U.S. solar firms' allegations of dumping by Chinese solar-panel makers, saying there were indications of injury or a threat of injury to U.S. industry.
The U.S. unit of SolarWorld AG and six other U.S. firms have accused Chinese suppliers of solar panels and solar cells made from crystalline silicon of receiving unfair government subsidies and selling their products in the U.S. at prices below the cost of production in an effort to dominate the U.S. market.
In a 6-0 vote, the commission agreed that the matter needed further investigation.
Friday's decision clears the way for the U.S. Department of Commerce, which is also investigating the accusations, to continue its probe, said ITC spokeswoman Peg O'Laughlin.
If the Commerce Department concludes that Chinese solar-panel makers dumped their products and/or received unfair subsidies, then the ITC would continue the final phase of its investigation into whether U.S. crystalline silicon solar-panel makers were injured or are threatened with injury, O'Laughlin said.
If the Commerce Department finds, in a parallel investigation, that the manufacturers dumped products or obtained unfair government subsidies, the agency could impose antidumping or countervailing tariffs on such products.
The case has raised the hackles of both Chinese solar-panel manufacturers and the Chinese government, and divided the U.S. solar-power market at a time when solar product manufacturers have been struggling against plunging prices, soft demand in Europe and an oversupply of solar panels, primarily from China.
SolarWorld said the ITC's ruling on Friday showed that its complaint has merit.
"The ITC's unanimous ruling underscores what American solar manufacturers have argued for months: Without any production cost advantage, dumping by Chinese solar manufacturers and massive subsidies by the Chinese government are enabling Chinese producers to drive out U.S. compe ion," said Gordon Brinser, president of SolarWorld's U.S. unit, in a statement.
Last week, China's Ministry of Commerce said it would investigate U.S. subsidies and policies supportive of the nation's renewable energy industry, in a -for-tat response to the U.S. investigation of alleged dumping by Chinese solar-panel makers.
Earlier this week, executives of the largest Chinese solar-panel makers, including Suntech Power Holdings Co. Ltd. (STP, K3ND.SG), Yingli Green Energy Holding Co. Ltd. YGE +1.30% and Trina Solar Ltd. (TSL, K3KD.SG) complained that the U.S. investigations were unwarranted and would hurt American jobs.
Yeah, lets make sure we keep the cost up there where it isn't feasible without massive subsidies.
With this logic a Motorola flat screen TV would still cost $20,000 and we would give tax credits so people would buy them.
ROI is not measured in time. ROC?
I would point out though, the returns are essentially indexed to energy inflation for PV.
NPV of investments tend to be more strongly influenced by cash flows closer to present.
The interesting characteristic about PV as an investment is that the returns are avoided costs, which go UP with inflation.
That means that the cash flows (avoided expenses) in the future are the same, if not greater than the cash flows at the beginning.
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