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Exactly who did Pop relegate to the end of the bench against the Grizzlies? Blair despite his lack of height was a better match for the Grizzlies because of his activity level and rebounding. That was not Bonner's series.
The one playoff series the Spurs have won since '08 is the one where Pop limited Bonner's minutes. Pop's got to know when he can play Bonner and when he can't. Some matchups are just bad for him.
Exactly who did Pop relegate to the end of the bench against the Grizzlies? Blair despite his lack of height was a better match for the Grizzlies because of his activity level and rebounding. That was not Bonner's series.
No dislike here
And you wonder why there is so much Pop hating.
Call him Fire Marshall Bill, cause he's always getting burned.
Most stretch 4's are able to put the ball on the floor when you close out on them. You remember Horry's dunk in '05. I don't remember Horry being run of the 3pt line and then looking like he didn't know what to do. Also Bonner's got an awkward shot that bounces hard of the rim and travels slowly. That allows for long rebounds and for the defense to predict it's path more easily.
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I think most people like Bonner but they don't want his role being stretched to aspects he cannot handle. It's not on Bonner to say "I suck at that coach". Pop knows already. , I would play those minutes for that money and suck even worse, but I would do it.
Well, it should really be Pop who's disliked for taking a role player who should be getting 5-15 minutes a night depending on his shooting and made him either a starter or the first big off the bench for the better part of his time here.
- Poor standing reach for his height
- Sucks under pressure
- Easy for teams to exploit in the post
- Makes stupid mistakes on both ends of the floor
- Takes minutes away from better players
- Can't run the floor
- Won't jump
- Can't defend one on one on the perimeter
- Can't defend one on one in the post
- Refuses to wrap up, instead throwing both hands straight in the air when the whistle blows
- Can't create his own shot
- Can't set screens
- Can't get open in the playoffs
- Can't rebound
- Can't block shots
Reason for so much Pop hating:
Ok so it comes down to Bonner is worth his $3,315,000 per year in an NBA sense however because he is overplayed other teams and our teams fans focus on his weaknesses.....
Got it, now can we start hating on RC Buford for not acquiring a a 6'9" or better fast power forward with leaping ability and long arms with enough strength to bang in the low post, and a decent % from 15'? Oh he's a lush as well.
So you didn't really want an answer, you just wanted a fight?
Bonner's only fault is not asking for a trade. All the rest is on Pop.
Great take, 100% accurate.
Bonner is hated because he almost s his pants under playoff pressure. The real Pop would have gotten rid of a player like Bonner after failing twice in the playoffs, but in this rare case he rewarded him with another contract. That is what is most shocking to me, Pop never used to resign and bring back playoff chokers, if you choked multiple times in the playoffs you were sent packing.
Hedo was not wanted back, Nick Van Exel let go of very quickly, Beno Udrih was dumped, Roger Mason Jr. sent packing, RJ traded. Those are a few of the more well known players that were sent away because of their lack of playoff for ude.
How in the heck was Bonner resigned?
Last edited by Ice009; 03-18-2012 at 11:28 PM.
For those who hate Bonner because of his hair/skin color:
You are true idiots. Not message board idiots, but true, real-life idiots.
For those who hate Bonner because of his personality:
I hope angelbelow was correct when he said "I don't think any dislikes Bonner on a personal level. Hes a funny guy and probably a good teammate to have around." But if there ARE people who think that, watch his Coach B videos. He's a quirky, funny guy. Seems dorky. If you don't like the dorky personality, you're probably jealous that he's better at basketball than you'll ever be at anything in your life.
http://www.nba.com/spurs/multimedia/..._lesson_1.html
For those who hate Bonner because of his defense:
There are a lot of poor defenders in the NBA. At least he tries. And it's not even that bad. Here's part of Hollinger's 2011-12 Bonner profile:
Defensively, Bonner has improved in his time in San Antonio. He won't rebound or block shots but he gets to the right spots and is strong enough to hold his position on the block. I would still place him below the median power forward, but he's not far off.
For those who hate Bonner because of his playoff troubles:
You folks are the ones I wish I could help, because you mean well, but you are misguided. Matt Bonner has played 430 minutes of postseason play in his NBA career. I hope you are smart enough to draw your own conclusions from that.
Anyone who thinks his defense slips in the playoffs, or that he looks scared in the playoffs, is basing that on gut feel and what they saw on the TV. They have to be, because there isn't near enough data. Their misconceptions are fueled by preconceived notions already in their head.
Smart Bonner-haters will now take a step back and think, hmm, it IS true that I have a pre-conceived notion of Bonner, and yes, I am aware that it is extremely well-do ented that it's near impossible to be unbiased in such a case. Perhaps I should reconsider my view.
Dumb Bonner-haters will not think at all, and just keep right on hating. Are you dumb? You probably are, and that is sad.
Blair still ranks higher on my hate-o-meter. Bonner only gets elevated marks when he gets more minutes than Splitter.
First of all,"at least he tries"
Second, he gets more minutes than anyone but Duncan and he can't block or rebound? Also, he DOESN'T hold his position on the block. He's below the median power forward in the NBA, which includes starters, backups and scrubs. Considering the percentage he shoots from three point range, that's in no way good. So the Spurs spent more than a season starting a guy who might not even be third string on some teams.
That the Spurs have won only one playoff series in the three years that Bonner's been expected to be a major contributor? Yep.
Nobody's spent more time defending Bonner than I have. It's never been his fault that he's out of position and asked to do too much. Great. That's long established. He still isn't someone the Spurs should be relying on, and it would improve the team greatly if he snapped an ankle very soon. We can still enjoy the cute and funny videos he makes while he's rehabbing.
Bonner is the ultimate Pop System player: has a specific talent/role, took Pop's abuse and survived, memorizes the plays and plays robotically, and never complains. A perfect pawn in Pop's chess game, so to speak.
Unfortunately, he has about zero "feel for the game".
No. And not true. There's 3 seasons worth of data to compare against his playoffs performances. It's been posted and re-hashed here, and his dropoff is abysmal...
I posted some numbers in the offseason and timvp posted some of the advanced stat numbers on a thread not long ago. Feel free to use the search feature and make informed opinions.
Second, he gets more minutes than anyone but Duncan and he can't block or rebound?
Not sure where you got your info. His 21.0 mpg is 8th on the team, behind (in order) Parker, Duncan, Leonard, Green, Ginobili, Neal, and Blair.
Also, he DOESN'T hold his position on the block. He's below the median power forward in the NBA, which includes starters, backups and scrubs. Considering the percentage he shoots from three point range, that's in no way good.
Again, not sure I understand where you're coming from. You're saying the 7th highest 3 pt. % in the NBA (.449) shouldn't be below the median defender? Do you realize that "below the median" means bottom half? That'd be awfully swell if a 3 point specialist were a top half defender, but it's faaaaar from a requirement.
That the Spurs have won only one playoff series in the three years that Bonner's been expected to be a major contributor? Yep.
Yes, clearly this was Bonner's fault. If he'd made his career .418 mark, we'd have scored 18 more points over those 32 playoff games!! That's OVER half a point per game, WOW!!!
My job is that of a statistician, and I posted my critique in timvp's thread. I got lambasted for it. I read the critiques and decided it wasn't worth the time to respond.
maybe one of the best GNSF post of the year
stop the stat just watch the games
As others pointed out, this FO let other players walk with a much smaller sample size for the same reasons. So either you're pretty ty at your job, or the FO doesn't need as much of a sample size to come to those conclusions.
I'll side with you being ty at your job.
Everything points to Bonner's play dropping in the playoffs. Pick any possible criteria and it gets worse. His plus/minus drops off a cliff. Every single statistically category falls off a cliff. Subjectively he falls off a cliff.
Yeah, it'd be great if he got 2,000 minutes in the playoffs to prove himself one way or another. But that's not the reality of playoff basketball. You have a short time to create your legacy ... that's just the way it is.
Last night was an anomaly, tbh. Posting a -19 in 15 and a half minutes obviously hurt the Spurs but it's not like that's a typical Blair night. He usually has a plus/minus around 0 and doesn't have much influence a game one way or the other.
Bonner, on the other hand, is given a role that directly allows him to lose games if he plays poorly enough. Especially in the playoffs.
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