This Loss Is On Pop

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

The Pistons starters played more minutes than the Spurs.

How are the Spurs more tired?

[tonillo]

body language
game 6 det more atletics than sa
sa more tired brain. the way for the finals more more difficult than det
the mismatch are in favor det always
GO SPURS GO

[ZStomp]

Yeah, I know, same tired argument from AHF. For those of you that feel that way, so be it, go find another thread.

For those of you who want to talk shop, read on...

First off I do need to call out some players...

Tim Duncan. The Big Fundamental is a Big Pussy. Show some balls man. Christ, two years ago you came two blocks away from a quadruple double in the elimination game of the NBA Finals.

Tonight you let your starting two guard nearly outrebound you. Weak. And don't even get me started on your D the last 5 minutes of the game. I don't know what was worse - Antonio McDyess taking you to the rack for a layup, or Lindsey Freakin' Hunter. Nut up. And while we're at, get your together at the FT line. There is no excuse for being such a choke, it's all in your head.

Tony Parker - how many threes does Billups have to hit before you think about coming OVER the pick? I can give you one, maybe two, but three? four? five? Wake up kid.

Also, how hard is it to step up and take a charge? I have seen Tony get whistled for fouls trying to defend a driving Billups multiple times in this series. He's fast enough to get in front of Chauncey, and then all he needs to do is step up and he'll get the call. All those times Chauncey puts his head down and drives and gets blocking calls on Tony will start turning into charges.

All Spurs big men involved in pick and roll defense. HEDGE DAMNIT. Detroit is killing us on the switch, it's time to start hedging and forcing the guard backwards. I think Detroit's guards hit every jump shot where they ended up with one of Tim, Nazr, or Horry on them tonight. If it's broke.. fix it.

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Now, on to Pop. You got punked tonight by your mentor. Plain and simple. Even the Game Night React crew called it, so I know I'm not alone.

You never adjusted to Detroit running their offense on the perimeter, just let them cut you to pieces. ing weak.

Why were we doubling so much the first half? I've never seen a Spurs offense double as much as I saw tonight in the first 24 minutes. And it got us killed.

Where the was Devin Brown? The Hunter-Billups-Hamilton was just begging to be countered with a Tony-Manu-Devin lineup of our own. But instead San Antonio's favorite road runner was on the wrong end of a DNP-CD.

Number of times Bowen guarded Chauncey tonight: ZERO. Chauncey's line: 19 points, 6 assists. Ugh. You know, it worked in game 5, why the would it ever work again?

And am I the only one who remembers games 1 and 2 Manu absolutely getting into the head of one Rip Hamilton? Hamilton was convulsing like he was in a swarm of mosquitos for those two games when Manu played him. The guy even got T'ed up for it. Like I said, that Hunter-Billups-Rip combo was just begging to have Bowen switched onto Billups and Manu sent out to annoy the out of Rip.

We didn't adjust all night to Detroit's perimeter game.

Psst, Pop, it's the Finals, now is not the time to with your lineups. I saw some truly bazaar combinations out there tonight. When you do that, it looks like you're panicking. Plus, Larry took advantage of some matchup mismatches to get easy hoops off of you.

Now is also not the time to experiment with plays. If I never see Bruce Bowen try to run a pick and roll again it'll be too soon. Dumb play at a point we needed scoring.

Did I mention seeing Devin Brown tonight would have been a good thing?

And finally, I was reminded by a friend tonight of one long-standing problem of Pop's teams - we don't go for blood when a guy's in foul trouble.

Tonight it was Rasheed Wallace playing the last 5 minutes of the game with 5 fouls. Number of times we challenged him defensively: ONE. Rasheed's damage in the last five minutes: 7 points, 1 steal, 1 rebound.

Earlier in the playoffs when Duncan got into foul trouble we saw him continuously attacked, and easily scored on, out of fear of not fouling out.

But we seem to want to uphold the nice guy image and make sure that guys with 4-5 fouls are around at the end of the game. That's nice and all, but it gets you beat. You've GOT to attack someone guarding Duncan with five fouls.

And now for Pop's coupe de grace: writing the "Parade, Thursday afternoon" on the marker board in the locker room. How ing conceited is that? When that's your at ude at the top, it cascades down to the guys out on the court. And it showed. We expected to Detroit to just lay down for us. You're going to have to take it form these guys, they're not just going to give it away. I thought Pop would be above something so stupid, but I guess not.

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Question, where are all the FTs don't matter crowd, who were so vicious in their attacks on me earlier this year? We lost a game earlier in the playoffs because of it, and tonight we bricked 10 freebies. But hey, Tim will figure it out, at least that's what Pop says.

And finally, a big you to the fans up in section 221 who got pissed at me and the ten guys on my row who decided at the 5 minute point we were going to stand and yell our ing guts out for the team the rest of the way.

This isn't piano recital, it's not a Disney movie, it's the mother ing NBA Finals.

If you can't get off your ass and yell for your team for five minutes at a game that could decide the championship, you shouldn't be at the damn game. That is weak, weak, weak with a capital W weak.

When did the rowdy mob at game 6 in 2003 get replaced by a bunch of uptight, pretentious assholes who are too good to make some noise for their team? I see enough of that in Dallas, I don't want to see it in my hometown.

And finally, I'd be remiss if I didn't say it was good meeting some of you finally at the half - Kori, LJ, Sequ, SW, UU666, Spurchick, Ginobiiillli, great to put a face with the name.

All this said, I am putting my faith in Pop making adjustments for game 7, just hope that it will be enough (and wish I had waited until Thursday to try and come down).

That's too en long man. Get a life. I'm a fan of this team but in no en way am I spending that much effort on a freaken post. I have other things to occupy myself.

[Sense]

Yeah, I know, same tired argument from AHF. For those of you that feel that way, so be it, go find another thread.

For those of you who want to talk shop, read on...

First off I do need to call out some players...

Tim Duncan. The Big Fundamental is a Big Pussy. Show some balls man. Christ, two years ago you came two blocks away from a quadruple double in the elimination game of the NBA Finals.

Tonight you let your starting two guard nearly outrebound you. Weak. And don't even get me started on your D the last 5 minutes of the game. I don't know what was worse - Antonio McDyess taking you to the rack for a layup, or Lindsey Freakin' Hunter. Nut up. And while we're at, get your together at the FT line. There is no excuse for being such a choke, it's all in your head.

Tony Parker - how many threes does Billups have to hit before you think about coming OVER the pick? I can give you one, maybe two, but three? four? five? Wake up kid.

Also, how hard is it to step up and take a charge? I have seen Tony get whistled for fouls trying to defend a driving Billups multiple times in this series. He's fast enough to get in front of Chauncey, and then all he needs to do is step up and he'll get the call. All those times Chauncey puts his head down and drives and gets blocking calls on Tony will start turning into charges.

All Spurs big men involved in pick and roll defense. HEDGE DAMNIT. Detroit is killing us on the switch, it's time to start hedging and forcing the guard backwards. I think Detroit's guards hit every jump shot where they ended up with one of Tim, Nazr, or Horry on them tonight. If it's broke.. fix it.

========================

Now, on to Pop. You got punked tonight by your mentor. Plain and simple. Even the Game Night React crew called it, so I know I'm not alone.

You never adjusted to Detroit running their offense on the perimeter, just let them cut you to pieces. ing weak.

Why were we doubling so much the first half? I've never seen a Spurs offense double as much as I saw tonight in the first 24 minutes. And it got us killed.

Where the was Devin Brown? The Hunter-Billups-Hamilton was just begging to be countered with a Tony-Manu-Devin lineup of our own. But instead San Antonio's favorite road runner was on the wrong end of a DNP-CD.

Number of times Bowen guarded Chauncey tonight: ZERO. Chauncey's line: 19 points, 6 assists. Ugh. You know, it worked in game 5, why the would it ever work again?

And am I the only one who remembers games 1 and 2 Manu absolutely getting into the head of one Rip Hamilton? Hamilton was convulsing like he was in a swarm of mosquitos for those two games when Manu played him. The guy even got T'ed up for it. Like I said, that Hunter-Billups-Rip combo was just begging to have Bowen switched onto Billups and Manu sent out to annoy the out of Rip.

We didn't adjust all night to Detroit's perimeter game.

Psst, Pop, it's the Finals, now is not the time to with your lineups. I saw some truly bazaar combinations out there tonight. When you do that, it looks like you're panicking. Plus, Larry took advantage of some matchup mismatches to get easy hoops off of you.

Now is also not the time to experiment with plays. If I never see Bruce Bowen try to run a pick and roll again it'll be too soon. Dumb play at a point we needed scoring.

Did I mention seeing Devin Brown tonight would have been a good thing?

And finally, I was reminded by a friend tonight of one long-standing problem of Pop's teams - we don't go for blood when a guy's in foul trouble.

Tonight it was Rasheed Wallace playing the last 5 minutes of the game with 5 fouls. Number of times we challenged him defensively: ONE. Rasheed's damage in the last five minutes: 7 points, 1 steal, 1 rebound.

Earlier in the playoffs when Duncan got into foul trouble we saw him continuously attacked, and easily scored on, out of fear of not fouling out.

But we seem to want to uphold the nice guy image and make sure that guys with 4-5 fouls are around at the end of the game. That's nice and all, but it gets you beat. You've GOT to attack someone guarding Duncan with five fouls.

And now for Pop's coupe de grace: writing the "Parade, Thursday afternoon" on the marker board in the locker room. How ing conceited is that? When that's your at ude at the top, it cascades down to the guys out on the court. And it showed. We expected to Detroit to just lay down for us. You're going to have to take it form these guys, they're not just going to give it away. I thought Pop would be above something so stupid, but I guess not.

================================================== ==

Question, where are all the FTs don't matter crowd, who were so vicious in their attacks on me earlier this year? We lost a game earlier in the playoffs because of it, and tonight we bricked 10 freebies. But hey, Tim will figure it out, at least that's what Pop says.

And finally, a big you to the fans up in section 221 who got pissed at me and the ten guys on my row who decided at the 5 minute point we were going to stand and yell our ing guts out for the team the rest of the way.

This isn't piano recital, it's not a Disney movie, it's the mother ing NBA Finals.

If you can't get off your ass and yell for your team for five minutes at a game that could decide the championship, you shouldn't be at the damn game. That is weak, weak, weak with a capital W weak.

When did the rowdy mob at game 6 in 2003 get replaced by a bunch of uptight, pretentious assholes who are too good to make some noise for their team? I see enough of that in Dallas, I don't want to see it in my hometown.

And finally, I'd be remiss if I didn't say it was good meeting some of you finally at the half - Kori, LJ, Sequ, SW, UU666, Spurchick, Ginobiiillli, great to put a face with the name.

All this said, I am putting my faith in Pop making adjustments for game 7, just hope that it will be enough (and wish I had waited until Thursday to try and come down).

You are a very stupid fan...


Wait... that is if you are a fan.

[T Park]

haha.

Speak the truth and get called stupid.

Classic stupidity at its best.

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

haha.

Speak the truth and get called stupid.

Classic stupidity at its best.

Since when is ones opinion the truth?

Now see, that was classic stupidity at its finest.

Good job T Pee, you keep one uping yourself.

[T Park]

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Ahhh, sweet silence.....

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

I love when nimrods post the ignore message and then add something lame like: "Silence is golden." or "I'm a chicken who has to put people on ignore because I can't take what they say without crying like my 12 year old sister."

[T Park]

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huh???
u say somfin?


BTW,

another question, where was the force the perimiter player down the middle or the sideline to the bigs??

What happened to that?

[timvp]

AHF is off base ... but not by much. Not practicing the day before game six of the NBA Finals is crazy. Not even film session? The Spurs didn't exactly dominate Game 5.

[whottt]

From game 5:

STARTERS MIN
Bruce Bowen, 44
Tim Duncan, 48
Manu Ginobili, 44
Tony Parker, 45

Bruce is 34 and Duncan and Manu have been playing ball for nearly 2 years straight...

This was our 104th game of the season...

Did the Pistons practice? Even if they did...the day of rest may payoff on Thursday.

[T Park]

Exactly.

Whats wrong with a film session. Uh, how about a shoot around, how about a WALKTHROUGH!!!


He acted like they won game 5 by 20 and that Chauncy billups ben wallace and rasheed wallace all got injured at once.

[T Park]

Tim Duncan, 48

Tim Duncan didn't sit down at all in game 5??

That is completely wrong.

[whottt]

Tim Duncan didn't sit down at all in game 5??

That is completely wrong.

It's called over time.

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

Exactly.

Whats wrong with a film session. Uh, how about a shoot around, how about a WALKTHROUGH!!!

You do know every Spur gets a DVD of the entire game. Even from different angles we don't see.

They probably even have notes.

And I bet they even have DVD players at their homes to put those DVD's in.

They just don't sit around all day playing Sega like you nimrod.

Oh wait... you can't read this... right?

[T Park]

It's called over time

my bad I forgot.

Maybe.

But to shoot that down?? The Pistons played the same amount of goddamn minutes and they arent youngsters either.

[mouse]

You do know every Spur gets a DVD of the entire game.

and a copy of .......

[timvp]

You do know every Spur gets a DVD of the entire game. Even from different angles we don't see.

They probably even have notes.

And I bet they even have DVD players at their homes to put those DVD's in.

They just don't sit around all day playing Sega like you nimrod.

Oh wait... you can't read this... right?

Pop told them not to even think about basketball.

And well ... it sure looked like it tonight.

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

Pop told them not to even think about basketball.

And well ... it sure looked like it tonight.

Yeah, I sure they took his advice and blocked anything that had to do with basketball.

I'm sure if Pop said he told them to think about cows ing all day Monday you'd believe him.

[T Park]

And well ... it sure looked like it tonight.

I did hear there was a parade thursday.

For what, Fiesta?

[whottt]

my bad I forgot.

Maybe.

But to shoot that down?? The Pistons played the same amount of goddamn minutes and they arent youngsters either.

None of them are as old as Bruce...none of them had to chase the best conditioned player in the NBA around for 44 minutes...

None of them played in the Olympics and Olympic qualifiers last summer and the year before like Duncan and Manu...actually 3 years straight for Manu...they pussed out remember?

Look...I'll be honest...I don't know if the Spurs will be able to pull off game 7...I think dropping this game was a huge setback and the Pistons will have all the momentum in game 7 and HCA will mean exactly squat...

But I understand why Pop rested them this time...this was a must win game for the Pistons...it was also one for the Spurs...but they got two chances to win the le...the Pistons only have one.

[T Park]

Thats the same at ude Miami had and blew it.

You NEVER take games for granted....



Your exactly right.

This series was over when the Spurs couldn't stop the Pistons out of a time out after making it 87-86.

[tonillo]

None of them are as old as Bruce...none of them had to chase the best conditioned player in the NBA around for 44 minutes...

None of them played in the Olympics and Olympic qualifiers last summer and the year before like Duncan and Manu...actually 3 years straight for Manu...they pussed out remember?

Look...I'll be honest...I don't know if the Spurs will be able to pull off game 7...I think dropping this game was a huge setback and the Pistons will have all the momentum in game 7 and HCA will mean exactly squat...

But I understand why Pop rested them this time...this was a must win game for the Pistons...it was also one for the Spurs...but they got two chances to win the le...the Pistons only have one.

[whottt]

Thats the same at ude Miami had and blew it.

You NEVER take games for granted....



Your exactly right.

This series was over when the Spurs couldn't stop the Pistons out of a time out after making it 87-86.

LMAO far be it from me to defend Pop...I just don't think that was why we lost.

I mean do we even know if the Pistons practiced or not? I haven't got a clue...for all I know Pop and Brown agreed to both not practice today...sounds like something they would do.


This isn't like 2001 VS LA when Pop rested them for 2 weeks or something like that...it's different...much more excusable. They Spurs weren't rusty or illprepared tonight. I have a problem with some of the subs utions...but basically they just got beat.

[texbumTHElife]

I think it is a pretty sound argument that Pop hasnt made the adjustments, if any, needed to give the Spurs a leg up in this series.

The offense hasnt changed. We continue to walk the ball up into the heart of what is probably, after seeing them more, the best defense in the NBA. After Bruce shuts down

Chauncey at the end of game 5 to seal it for the Spurs Pop never puts him on Chauncey in clutch time tonight.

We still havent adjusted to stopping their guards from nearly out rebounding our bigs. Yet when we do get the rebound we cant run on them... hmmmmmm.

I am a huge Pop fan and I think for the most part he is a tremendous coach. He is getting completely out coached in this series however.

Then again how is Pop gonna know that Tim Duncan would have a sex change before game 3 and sink into his s in the most important parts of games.