Abdul-jabbar.

[pass1st]

Kareem helped Magic's game too. Don't forget Magic never won without Kareem but Kareem won without Magic.

True, but Kareem won with Oscar who is a legend in his own rights and in an era which was less compe ive than the 80s.

[mercos]

When you look at accomplishments from both college and the NBA, Kareem should be considered the best of all time. He has the best combination of stats and les. As someone stated earlier, history has not remembered him fondly because he was an asshole. Jordan was the most marketable star of all time, and that is really why he is considered the greatest. On top of all of the career achievements, Kareem was a center, which is a MUCH more important position in basketball than shooting guard. It is a big man's game, and Kareem was arguably the best big man and player of all time.

[lefty]

The 80's belonged to Magic and the Lakers. Bird and the Celtics were a secondary thought.

Bird was better IMO, but not by a long shot

Bird played in a tougher conference, and the Celtic's bench was weak

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Don't forget that Timmy is a PF...So you may put KAJ 2nd among C's.

1) Chamberlain
2) Russell
3) Jabar

[pass1st]

1) Chamberlain
2) Russell
3) Jabar

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm hardly the only one that thinks that. Is there even a major publication that puts Jabbar in the top 5 of the best all time lists?

You're a Lakers fan so for all of your posturing, it's meaningless.

[pass1st]

I'm hardly the only one that thinks that. Is there even a major publication that puts Jabbar in the top 5 of the best all time lists?

You're a Lakers fan so for all of your posturing, it's meaningless.

A major publication? You're probably one of those people who think bleacher report articles are made by legit sports writers.

Why were wilts playoff numbers lower than season numbers, while Kareem's were relatively the same if not better?

Rank these eras, 60s, 70s, 80s.

Using Lakerfan smack talk
Wilt being GOAT
Thinking somebody that shrinks during playoffs is better than somebody who rises during them

[FuzzyLumpkins]

A major publication? You're probably one of those people who think bleacher report articles are made by legit sports writers.

Why were wilts playoff numbers lower than season numbers, while Kareem's were relatively the same if not better?

Rank these eras, 60s, 70s, 80s.

Using Lakerfan smack talk
Wilt being GOAT
Thinking somebody that shrinks during playoffs is better than somebody who rises during them

No, but I do think that SLAM is and they have Jabbar at 7. They also have Wilt at 1.

And it's not saying that Lakers fans are in some way inferior in general but rather that you have clear bias and as such cannot be considered an objective source.

And melting in the playoffs. I am guessing that you are basing that off the Reed game. Then there is his performance from 1960 to 1965 where he averaged 34 and 25. Not to mention being the single most dominant player of any era. 100 point, 50 rebounds. Over 48 mins per game in 1962. Led the league in assists because he wanted to.

Jabbar ran into the stands after starting some with one of Wilt's teammates when Chamberlain came after him.

Its not his fault that those Warrior teams sucked but for him. It's not his fault that those Warrior teams ran into the greatest dynasty of all time led by #2.

Posture some more, it's cute.

[pass1st]

No, but I do think that SLAM is and they have Jabbar at 7. They also have Wilt at 1.

And it's not saying that Lakers fans are in some way inferior in general but rather that you have clear bias and as such cannot be considered an objective source.

And melting in the playoffs. I am guessing that you are basing that off the Reed game. Then there is his performance from 1960 to 1965 where he averaged 34 and 25. Not to mention being the single most dominant player of any era. 100 point, 50 rebounds. Over 48 mins per game in 1962. Led the league in assists because he wanted to.

Jabbar ran into the stands after starting some with one of Wilt's teammates when Chamberlain came after him.

Its not his fault that those Warrior teams sucked but for him. It's not his fault that those Warrior teams ran into the greatest dynasty of all time led by #2.

Posture some more, it's cute.

Slm Magazine, I'm not sure if you're being serious here.

Wilt was a Laker too

Compare his season to playoff stats, I'm not basing this off any specific game. Although if I was, it would be in 72 where Kareem outplayed Wilt in every aspect of the game except rebounding. The only reason Lakers won was because Oscar was hurt and played like .

It's easily Wilt's fault for being a stat hog, not a winner. Nothing you said really supports your argument that Wilt was better than Kareem, and other spurfans here don't have Wilt in their top 10 so your Lakerfan bias argument is invalid.

Say posture some more

[ginobili's bald spot]

The other muslim brother Olajuwon s on Kareem

I doubt even Hakeem himself thinks some bull like this.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

No, but I do think that SLAM is and they have Jabbar at 7. They also have Wilt at 1.

You're making fun of Lakerfan then citing the same re ed magazine all the dumb Lakers fans on this site love to use.

SLAM magazine
Wilt #1

[lefty]

I doubt even Hakeem himself thinks some bull like this.

Lol Hakeem destroyed Jabbar everytime he faced him

Don't be such a Laker fan

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Slm Magazine, I'm not sure if you're being serious here.

Wilt was a Laker too

Compare his season to playoff stats, I'm not basing this off any specific game. Although if I was, it would be in 72 where Kareem outplayed Wilt in every aspect of the game except rebounding. The only reason Lakers won was because Oscar was hurt and played like .

It's easily Wilt's fault for being a stat hog, not a winner. Nothing you said really supports your argument that Wilt was better than Kareem, and other spurfans here don't have Wilt in their top 10 so your Lakerfan bias argument is invalid.

Say posture some more

Lol citing message board posters after criticizing me for the bleacher report. For all your ridicule, SLAM is a major publication. I am still waiting for any single publication that has Jabbar ahead of Chamberlain.

Jabbar didn't win a championship from 1972 to 1980. In 1972 Wilt played with Baylor, Goodrich and West. Excuses are like assholes and the Bucks lost.

When Chamberlain played with Walker and Greer in 1967 they were able to finally beat the Celtics and win a championship. Before that they ran into the best basketball dynasty all time with Russel, Cousy, Havlicek, Jones et al every year in the ECF. Perhaps you have heard of them?

You act like he didn't carry those Warrior teams there every year.

Jabbar couldn't win without the Big O or Magic so I don't get what your point is. It's a team game but on an individual basis Chamberlain was easily the more dominant player. It plays out in win shares as well.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You're making fun of Lakerfan then citing the same re ed magazine all the dumb Lakers fans on this site love to use.

SLAM magazine
Wilt #1

I am not making fun of Lakers fans. Its a comment on objectivity. It's like someone talking about the relative performance of their kids. SLAM is a major publication I am just trying to determine an objective standard.

I am guessing that pass1st never watched Chamberlain play and watched a whole bunch of Jabbar.

Am I wrong?

[mavs>spurs]

crofl crofl SLAM

was cool when we were like 13, OP must have hung the wilt cutout poster from that issue on his wall

[lefty]

crofl crofl SLAM

was cool when we were like 13, OP must have hung the wilt cutout poster from that issue on his wall

[The Gemini Method]

Hey you...I don't even consider SLAM when I enter a discussion. That's like reading one of them hip-hop magazines to get the scoop on what's good...

I don't know why Kareem gets overlooked--I'm guessing it is a combination of him being stand-offish and the fact that he played on the same team as the affable Magic. But if you were to combine his achievements as Lew Alcindor/Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, then it would be hard to find another player who, over the duration of nearly 30 years, was as influential and dominant than KAJ. I mean, can anyone from MJ to Bird to Magic say they got to be in a movie and trained by Bruce Lee? That, in my opinion, is worth some brownie points as well.

Could it be he became a Muslim that turns people off? I know there is a segment of the boxing world that soured on Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali when he went from the cross to the crescent.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I said all the dumb Lakers fans (I've seen namlook and lkrfan cite slam several times each).

[The Gemini Method]

I said all the dumb Lakers fans (I've seen namlook and lkrfan cite slam several times each).

I know I was only playing on the statement...

I would be amiss if I didn't say that Bynum, for all his petulance, did learn some things from the Captain. Maybe he also picked up the prickly disposition from KAJ as well...

[mavs>spurs]

yeah it's true, laker fans love to cite SLAM as if it's a legitimate source of good basketball knowledge and not some kiddie hip hop magazine that attracts youngers with cutout posters

[ginobili's bald spot]

Lol Hakeem destroyed Jabbar everytime he faced him

Don't be such a Laker fan

Even if that was true, Kareem is like 16 years older than him you dumb ass. Hakeem probably 6 years old when Kareem started playing in the NBA. Using your logic Illgauskas > Hakeem because he all over him every time he faced him.

[pass1st]

Lol citing message board posters after criticizing me for the bleacher report. For all your ridicule, SLAM is a major publication. I am still waiting for any single publication that has Jabbar ahead of Chamberlain.

Jabbar didn't win a championship from 1972 to 1980. In 1972 Wilt played with Baylor, Goodrich and West. Excuses are like assholes and the Bucks lost.

When Chamberlain played with Walker and Greer in 1967 they were able to finally beat the Celtics and win a championship. Before that they ran into the best basketball dynasty all time with Russel, Cousy, Havlicek, Jones et al every year in the ECF. Perhaps you have heard of them?

You act like he didn't carry those Warrior teams there every year.

Jabbar couldn't win without the Big O or Magic so I don't get what your point is. It's a team game but on an individual basis Chamberlain was easily the more dominant player. It plays out in win shares as well.

I'm not citing them, it's simply proof that your argument was invalid. It's relevant because they aren't Lakerfans, they are rivalfans, and still don't put Wilt or Russel up there. You're reaching

Jabbar won 6, if you want to say he was carried to 5 of them get prepared to be laughed at. Wilt won 1 against a hurt team, it's not an excuse because win or lose it doesn't matter in this particular case. Wilt was utterly outplayed by Kareem, a recovering Kareem at that. Lakers won because they had more than just Wilt.

Sure he carried the Warriors, during the regular season. His stats, like I said, dipped in the playoffs.

NOBODY wins alone, Kareem needed Magic/Robertson like Wilt needed West/his whole 76er team. Pull up the boxscores for the series against the Celtics, show me how many times Wilt was the leading scorer

Why didn't you say posture again

[ginobili's bald spot]

[mavs>spurs]

Where's that one who would always call him "Jaber" and talk about more outlandish myths than the Wilt ones? I'm talking "Jaber was the best athlete of all time, he was once the first black man to travel to another galaxy and become mvp of a league full of athletically engineered super aliens" etc

I can't remember which poster that was, was it Galileo?

[lefty]

Even if that was true, Kareem is like 16 years older than him you dumb ass. Hakeem probably 6 years old when Kareem started playing in the NBA. Using your logic Illgauskas > Hakeem because he all over him every time he faced him.

Harlem won a championship as the only HOF of his team

Kareem ?