The Darknight Rises: Thoughts?

[DPG21920]

It was a really good movie and Bane was legit.

The only part that really bothered me about the entire "plan" from Bane was the finger print part. Everyone on Earth saw the hijacking and would they easily not know that Bruce Wayne wasn't there and to prove it was fraud?

[mingus]

DPG, if you didn't like the scenes of Batman and Catwoman teaming up and the scene in the bar, something must be wrong with your brain.

not true at all.

Here are the two major complaints I have with movie.

1. Nolan needed to do a better job of making Banes take over of Gotham and the mass hysteria that resulted more plausible. What he could have done is showed, for example, how the military tried to do a covert mission to rescue Gotham (ala Osama Bin Laden), but fails and Bane kills numerous people as a result. I felt that the audeince was asked to make to much of a leap to believe the take over and the hysteria.

2. In Batman and Catwoman's first fight scene, there were guys just standing around wth their weapons but didn't even shoot at Batman or Catwoman. Batman is supposed to use stealth/darkness. In that scene he is basically just Chuck Norris in a bat suit. In the first movie, for example, in the cargo scene, he picks each guy off one by one to avoid having to fight 6-7 people with automatic weapons and avoid the inevetible getting shot that would result. Would have been better and more plausible if Batman took that route in the first fight scene rather than face 6-7 guys with automatics and watch as they stand around like idiots with their weapons pointed to the floor as they watch their buddies get their asses beat.

[redzero]

The military tried to do a covert mission. Did you miss the part that had the guy from Rescue Me meet up with Blake and Gordon?

[CuckingFunt]

SPOILER*****








This.
Batman beat the out of him in the second fight and could've killed him if he wanted but Thalia shanked him...plus, considering the ending of the movie...who's to say he's truly dead? If Nolan decides he's not done it wouldn't be far fetched to bring him back.

I believe Nolan when he says he's done with the franchise, and this movie very much felt like an ending (I don't, for instance, think that the very end bit was as much of a sequel set-up as many other seem to), but I agree there's nothing to indicate Bane was all the way killed by Selina.

[redzero]

Dude, you are over-hyping Catwoman IMO. The scenes were fine, but I am glad it is painfully obvious that Catwoman would have used all of her 9 lives if Batman wasn't there to save her.

She would be destroyed by Batman, Bane and all of the other highly trained league of shadows members if trying to fight on her own. She did a good job, but I liked the scenes because of what I said above as she was very complimentary to Batman.

I agree with you to an extent. The character of Catwoman works best if she is playing off of Batman.

[DPG21920]

I thought batman was gone tbh.

[DPG21920]

Michael Caine was great too. He never gets credit, but man he was good.

[leemajors]

Michael Cane was great too. He never gets credit, but man he was good.

tbh he is knighted and has won tons of awards.

[mingus]

The military tried to do a covert mission. Did you miss the part that had the guy from Rescue Me meet up with Blake and Gordon?

I would have liked an Osama Bin Laden style attempt. Those two scenes that featured Jones didn't do it for me. You have to figure drones and helicopters would've been used.

[CuckingFunt]

• I knew Carcetti was in the movie, but I didn't know that Bunny Colvin was going to be in it also.

And Delmond Lambreaux, too, if you want to go multi-city David Simon.

[DeadlyDynasty]

tbh he is knighted and has won tons of awards.

No amount of awards or les will help him live down Jaws 4.

[DPG21920]

tbh he is knighted and has won tons of awards.

Guy - talking about him in the context of the Nolan franchise

[DPG21920]

CF - your overall thoughts

[mingus]

Well, duh. I thought your reason for starting a separate thread was obvious enough that I didn't need to use the blue font. I guess I was wrong.



Oh, cool your jets.

Whatever you say.

[Heath Ledger]

Anyone else notice that the detective from Dexter was in the movie on the end bridge scene?

[redzero]

In regards to the government intervention, sending drones would be too much, I think. Bane said that the trigger man for the bomb was a random citizen, and the government didn't want to risk it by showing too much force. Attacking the League would be too big a gamble.

There were jets flying around the city, though.

[CuckingFunt]

A few thoughts and some good and bad things about the movie. Spoilers ahead.

• I knew Carcetti was in the movie, but I didn't know that Bunny Colvin was going to be in it also.
• The overall tone was more like Begins than TDK. It felt more like a Batman movie than it did like Heat, but the looming feeling of dread that made up The Dark Knight carried over to this movie.
+ Bane was great. He had some great lines and was intimidating. Movie magic made him seem like a far more physically imposing character than Tom Hardy looks in real life. His ass whooping of Batman was pretty awesome.
+ The fight scenes were the best in the trilogy.
+ Cathaway was great. She was funny and a far more interesting character than Rachel Dawes. If there was one good thing The Joker did, it was blowing that up.
+ Jo Go was good. This was a clever way of integrating Robin into the trilogy. He was also given character traits from multiple Robins, and that was good.
+ This was the best Bale Batman in the entire trilogy, although there wasn't much Batman.
+ Everybody else did a good job. The cameo from Scarecrow was good.
- The editing was suspect in some areas, but mostly during the death scenes. I know this is a PG13 movie, but there were too many discretion shots. Pvt. Joker's death was goofier than it should have been do to it not being shown.
- Cathaway was good, but I would have liked a larger role for her.
- Bane's German Sean Connery voice didn't bother me in itself. It was, however, way too loud at some points.

Overall, I thought it was a satisfying end to the trilogy. It was better than Begins and The Avengers, but I'm not ready to say it was better than The Dark Knight. It's a shame that Nolan is claiming that there won't be another one, because I would like to see what he would have done with Robin and Bruce with Selina.

Read the rest of this and realized it pretty much echoes a lot of the things I was just about to type. Will add a few things, though:

- I really liked the way Robin and Catwoman were handled. Bane, too, though that was less of a surprise. Too many costumes and origin stories on the screen at once and this would have completely lost Nolan's "real world" feel.
- The big reveal of Talia being the kid who escaped the pit and Bane being her protector was made somewhat less shocking by the fact anyone with a pair of eyes could easily see it was Hardy's shoulders and bald head under the robes in all those flashbacks, but I'll forgive that error since it gave me that one second glimpse of Bane sans mask.
- I was also happy with how the multi-city Gotham worked out. It's the one bit I was skeptical about going in, was worried that the different skylines would be too distracting and that the inconsistencies would prevent any real sense of place. I was always very aware of where each moment was shot, but the locations were s ched together nicely.
- Lots of attention goes to the neck cracking and face crushing, but I could literally watch an entire movie of Tom Hardy kicking dudes in the chest.
- I still want a Batpod.
- Looks like Joey Quinn is a hole no matter what universe he inhabits.

[mingus]

In regards to the government intervention, sending drones would be too much, I think. Bane said that the trigger man for the bomb was a random citizen, and the government didn't want to risk it by showing too much force. Attacking the League would be too big a gamble.

There were jets flying around the city, though.

Sending in Jones seemed to like too little on the military's part. I mean they didn't even have to work hard to kill him. Drones and stealth choppers would have made more sense and been more plausible in a situation like that, I think. I did not get the feeling that everything was done to try to save Gotham by the military. If you think Drones and choppers aren't realistic. The military could have tried building undergound tunnels to get to Gotham. I felt that the movie hinged on something I couldn't suspend enough belief for.

[tlongII]

Not as good as The Avengers tbh.

[redzero]

As long as you don't mean that you wanted the aerial support to start attacking, I can see where you are coming from.

On a different note, the theater I went to had a weak crowd. I don't want anybody to clap (which one kid did when he heard the name "Robin" come up), but people could have at least laughed at some of the good jokes.

[CuckingFunt]

Sending in Jones seemed to like too little on the military's part. I mean they didn't even have to work hard to kill him. Drones and stealth choppers would have made more sense and been more plausible in a situation like that, I think. I did not get the feeling that everything was done to try to save Gotham by the military. If you think Drones and choppers aren't realistic. The military could have tried building undergound tunnels to get to Gotham. I felt that the movie hinged on something I couldn't suspend enough belief for.

That didn't really bother me for a couple of reasons.

For one, at the moment of the takeover, the President's comments (and Gordon's response) made it pretty clear the city was largely on its own. The government would have to tread very carefully in such a situation.

Also, the movie skips through five months in about five minutes. I, too, would find it difficult to believe that the one failed covert mission was the only thing the government tried to end Bane's control. However, I find it pretty to believe/assume that the government may have tried and failed several times during the five months but that we just didn't see it.

[CuckingFunt]

Not as good as The Avengers tbh.

Matter of opinion, of course, but I wouldn't even be able to compare the two. Whedon and Nolan were making two VERY different movies and I, for one, think they were equally successful in achieving what they wanted.

[DPG21920]

A lot of people clapped hard at the end, but not during. Got good laughs at my theater.

[DPG21920]

Red Zero - can you answer the questions I had above? Want to see what I might be missing

[TE]

tbh, I kinda expected the spoilers in this thread so I completely skipped everyone's posts up to this one I'm making. I have yet to watch this movie (I plan to catch a late showing at the local theater tonight).

For those of you that have already watched the Dark Night Rises, how would you rank each movie within the trilogy?