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another underachieving white guy hes def spur material
Nah, full boat MLE deal. Under the old CBA, I think it was about 5yrs/$35M.
And people still because Bonner makes like $3M a year.
another underachieving white guy hes def spur material
As soon as you give me the list of big man that were either free agents or traded in the past 5 seasons or so, we can then narrow it down...
Then again, it took the FO about 4 seasons to fill the huge gap left in the wing when Bowen was let go (and that included re-signing RJ for an albatross deal), so I'm not sold this team won't toss another re ed deal at Matty when his contract is up, instead of using some of that somewhere else...
And Kapono, another park at the 3 point line guy that can't dribble or do ...
'Tres bringin' the goods, per usual.
I get the frustration, Pop and Co. haven't exactly gotten it done, whether it be with on-court or personnel decisions. But it's not like they can bolster the frontline with a first or second string big just because they want and need it - they'd essentially be robbin' Peter to pay Paul with their assets.
And maybe that's why Layden was brought aboard. There's plenty to knock about the guy, but he's also been responsible for a lot of trades, built a lot of relationships with front offices across the league - somethin' that might be useful to a team that seems to have most feelin' they'd be gettin' had if they made a deal with 'em. ... Almost a stigma of success, teams not wantin' to be responsible for it - especially not for a team from San Antonio, leavin' them no excuse for their inep ude.
The Spurs don't need any more depth, they need star power. And that's only gonna come via trade, so guys like Kapono or whoever else (we're talkin 15th man, end of the bench minutes - a little more than insignificant to a championship contender) are what they are.
They need some good fortune via trade. But that don't mean it's gonna happen or that it's in their means to do so. They just ain't the championship-caliber team of yesteryear, and Father Time's to blame.
Bruce played until the summer of 2009. Kawhi was drafted in the summer of 2011. The board melodrama continues.
Ex-acto-mundo. The Spurs are not in a situation where they can just sign an All-NBA First Team to a max contract, as they are way over the cap and are skirting the luxury tax line, nor can they trade for those - the Spurs do not sign albatross contracts with abandon that RJ's contract was the outlier.
And when it came down to it the Spurs essentially traded Bruce Bowen and George Hill for Kawhi Leonard and Stephen Jackson. Sure, the biggest mistake was re-signing Jefferson, but Pop and RC salvaged that situation.
As for the big men... you do realize the only way to get one of the better ones would be to trade away one of Parker/Ginobili/Jackson? None of the bigs on the roster save Duncan make an eight digit salary, and , Diaw's the highest paid with an MLE salary, and I'm not complaining about his contract. As for Bonner, while I do not appreciate his uselessness in the playoffs (where defenses pay heed to three point specialists), he's not overpaid; if you want overpaid, look at our old friend Steve Novak and his 4 yr/15 million paycheck.
Think it's because Kawhi didn't earn full-time starter status until the Jefferson.
TD 21's ty posting is incredibly underrated. He's consistently dished out horrible takes for years now, but I think people let it slide because he comes off as so sincere. TDMVPDPOY is the worst of the worst, but everyone knows that, so people don't take him seriously and write 1000 word essays in response to his borderline re ed posts.
TD 21 is like a strange combination of chazley, Spurs90210 and Joe Chalupa. I can't help but wonder why people continue to debate that sorry ass dude.
I don't have a list, thats why I requested one. Seems like quite a few folks on here think the FO routinely passes on quite a few starting caliber bigs. I'm curious as to some of the names of these players.
So let me get this straight. They can't, in 9 years, acquire a run of the mill starter (at arguably the league's deepest position, no less), but the Lakers can acquire multiple future Hall-of-Famers with little to no trade assets? And this should be acceptable to Spurs fans because they "tried"? I just want to look back one time at the back half of this era and go, "That year, they went for it. They were bold and didn't play it safe".
Peter to pay Paul, my ass. They could easily package up the excess depth, along with draft picks/rights, for a second big and still be left with a solid top 8-9. Had they done this early in the summer before almost every credible player had signed, they could have signed 1-2 respectable veterans to the minimum and still had two solid units.
And it's amazing how many of you no attention span losers, who supposedly can't stand me, come flocking to my posts constantly. I guess it's just coincidence that the traffic in a thread increases exponentially after I post. I swear, this is the most sensitive board I've ever seen. If we're not all holding hands and singing kumbaya, then people are upset. It's beyond bizarre. Me and 'Tres were having a friendly debate and suddenly the mob feels as if they need to come to the rescue. It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
Have you ever explored the the tried and true method of waking the up? I know trades for starting caliber bigs are very real in your fantasy GM world, but not so much in the real world.
I just wanted to be apart of the post
I think I said already, I'd take Kapono if it meant using Neal/Bonner/Blair to improve front court depth.
I knew you'd eventually make an appearance. I've got some advice for you: take your own advice. Nine years without acquiring a true starting PF is unacceptable (honestly, has there been an easier position to fill with a legit starter in the past decade?), especially for a team that has supposedly been trying to contend. No amount of excuses, no matter who they come from, is going to change that.
I'll give you credit though, at least you didn't pretend I said anything about a Howard, Stoudemire, etc.
Hmmm...Ian Mahinmi, Theo Ratliff, Tiago Splitter, Luis Scola are the first four that come to mind. All within the Spurs' control to acquire, give time to, or retain. Three of the four dumped in favor of three point shooting, one wasted on the bench for a season of Tim Duncan's productive years.
God damn, it's like some of you don't even watch the team. It's like 2006 never happened for some of you.
great post.
Bowen was already demoted by the time he was traded. After the '08 debacle with LA, Pop never look at him the same and started to drastically cut down his role. And last season basically started in 2012, that's where I get the 4 years from, but feel free to make it 3 if it helps you sleep better at night.
Well, sometimes you gotta wonder if they're even looking... Outside of Dice, everything else has been half assed or just not really defensive (ie: Gooden, Diaw).
This sickens me!!! Kapono for a work out! Come on, Not even worth looking at.
9 years for a pf huh? Tim Duncan has been the starting pf for half of that and i dont think anyone was complaining. this whole front court hysteria has been going on the past 4 seasons, not 9.
TD, I'm talkin' present-tense.
Should they have been focusin' their efforts on the front line a good while ago? Yeah.
Would they have found what they needed? Maybe; but they should have been focusin' their efforts there instead of tryin' to morph a team into somethin' they're not, and somethin' that deviates from the philosophy that brought 'em 4 les.
But it's done, over with. Decent bigs, guys you're essentially takin' a flier on ain't what's gonna get it done. If they wanna get the help they need, the Big 3's gonna have to be broken up. And with age of Tim and Manu, the fact that tradin' Parker will most likely be robbin' Peter to pay Paul, it is what it is - they ain't the Lakers, they ain't gonna get helped out.
Absolutely, I know, but being realistic about the Spurs's landing a premeir bigman are few and far between. S.A. is not a preferred destination for top free agents. The FO rarely spends on FAs., etc... Its the same old song, but it is what it is.
Well, it depends on how much players Spurs have for workouts this summer.
If they have a lot of players at workouts, let's say at least 20 player, then you can't really be upset with them looking at a player like Kapono.
If they don't have a lot of players at workouts, let's say around 10 players, then there is something wrong. It could be that they are high on Kapono which would be stupid and/or that free agents aren't really interest in working out with Spurs.
My guess is that Spurs are indeed looking at a lot of players because it's what they usually do. For example, they invite to a workout a lot of prospects for the draft even some marginal ones.
Now, if Spurs are seriously considering adding another SF, Derrick Brown, a player that has too worked out for Spurs this summer, seems a way better choice than Kapono.
I realize Blatche, Patterson, etc., aren't what's going to get it done, but at least it would show they're trying to rectify their biggest areas of need and aren't content being eliminated in the Conference Semis/Finals.
I disagree about the big three needing to be broken up to get the help they need. This team is loaded with various trade assets, ranging from very good (Splitter), to good (Jackson, because of his contract), to decent (Blair, Neal), to movable (Joseph and Bonner, because this is his final fully guaranteed season). Plus, there's always future picks (the value would depend on the year) and overseas rights. So they don't need to get helped out.
sananspursfan21, that's mere semantics. The reality is, since center is far more difficult to fill with quality, they always had the option of shifting Duncan to center full time from '03 on, if that was what it took to acquire a legit starting big.
Horrible take is again horrible.
Says the guy who thinks Durant is the best player in the league.
Sure, I've made my share of incorrect predictions (everybody does; it's part and parcel), but that goes way beyond that. Excluding trolls, that is quite possibly the dumbest statement I've ever seen on a message board. If you had an ounce of credibility before that, you lost it with that, fat boy.
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