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    Sorry, but since I was involved with Desert Storm, and seen all the violations of the UN resolutions afterwards, I don't see it like you do. I agree a good argument is made. I dust don't believe it as a cause.

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    its okay to be israels toy, but not okay to have a black man running ur country in the best interest of the american ppl??....lol

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    its okay to be israels toy, but not okay to have a black man running ur country in the best interest of the american ppl??....lol
    Why do you think such things are about race? I thought intelligent people were past such things. Are you intelligent or not?

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    Sorry, but since I was involved with Desert Storm, and seen all the violations of the UN resolutions afterwards, I don't see it like you do. I agree a good argument is made. I dust don't believe it as a cause.
    You're living in denial bro. I wish the things we did really were genuine and honest, but do you really think a bunch of elitist assholes care how "free" some guys halfway across the globe are? The petrodollar is the one and only common denominator, the missing link that puts it all into perspective. Who's the latest country that they want to attack? Oh yeah that's right, Iran. Once again, it falls in perfectly with the petrodollar theory as Iran has been a voice for moving away from the dollar and selling oil in other currencies.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar_warfare

    "In 2000, Iraq converted all its oil transactions under the Oil for Food program to euros.[2] When U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003, it returned oil sales from the euro to the USD.[3]
    The Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran takes this theory as fact. As retaliation to this policy seen as neoimperialism, Iran has made an effort to create its own Iranian Oil Bourse which has sold oil in Gold, Euros, Dollars, and Japanese Yen since its opening. The theory is supported historically by Iranian intellectuals as a move made by the American elites after World War II with the Bretton Woods Act, taking away Gold backing from the Pound Sterling and discreetly starting the eventual pegging of Gulf Arab Oil producers' currencies after Britain gave them independence in 1961 and 1971. These countries were further secured militarily after the Gulf War in 1990. This pegging of the currencies along with the exchanges being exclusively in USD in only two places, the IPE in London and NYMEX in New York City, has given the United States a near monopoly, with growing economies such as India and China waiting in line for orders. Critics say this revolutionary move by Iran in creating a rival market may also be one of the reasons for the ongoing energy-related US compe ion with Iran.
    In mid-2006 Venezuela indicated support of Iran's decision to offer global oil trade in the euro currency.[4]
    A controversial change like that in Iran would have limited ability to influence the denomination of sales one way or the other. A large number of traders would have to agree to a change in denomination before a significant change would occur."

    Here ya go, Iran wants to accept gold as payment for oil. They've been talking about cir venting the dollar for some time now. They've threatened to do it with gold, euros, etc.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17203132

    When we play the reluctant hero and finally attack them, you'll know why and it was planned all along.

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    I see it conveniently leave out the actual violations of the oil for food program.

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    I see Boutons hasn't shown up in this thread since getting shat on..... "But it was only lying when BUSH did it!"

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    So Clinton was lied to about WMD's, but Dubya was lying when he said the same exact ?

    Funny, I don't see a difference between the lies spewed by the Clinton administration and the lies spewed by the Bush administration, but maybe that's because I'm not a blind partisan shill, tbh....


    Wrong again, dumb .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing...December_1998)
    Nobody s on Boutons, asshole

    Clinton was talking, dubya actually pushed hard, lied hard for, and obtained, a bogus Iraq war for oil.

    Clinton was going after the real terrorist responsible for 9/11, while dubya and his incompetent team totally ignored AQ,etc terrorism before 9/11.

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    Clinton was talking, dubya actually pushed hard, lied hard for, and obtained, a bogus Iraq war for oil.
    Clinton not only talked, but signed off on the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 and a bombing campaign in Iraq during his presidency, B....

    Clinton was going after the real terrorist responsible for 9/11
    Wow, so he could see the future? In that case, why didn't he just tell the airport security people from the future to not let the terrorists on the planes?

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    No .

    Clinton exhausted the supply of cruise missiles we had back then.

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    The Iraqi Liberation act of 1988

    ...what a neocon shill
    This act required the President to designate one or more qualified recipients of assistance, with the primary requirement being opposition to the present Saddam Hussein regime. Such groups should, according to the Act, include a broad spectrum of Iraqi individuals, groups, or both, who are opposed to the Saddam Hussein regime, and are committed to democratic values, peaceful relations with Iraq's neighbors, respect for human rights, maintaining Iraq's territorial integrity, and fostering cooperation among democratic opponents of the Saddam Hussein regime. On February 4, 1999 President Clinton designated seven groups as qualifying for assistance under the Act. (see Note to 22 U.S.C. 2151 and 64 Fed. Reg. 67810). The groups were

    The Iraqi National Accord,
    The Iraqi National Congress,
    The Islamic Movement of Iraqi Kurdistan,
    The Kurdistan Democratic Party,
    The Movement for Cons utional Monarchy,
    The Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, and
    The Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq.

    The Act authorized the President to assist all such groups with: broadcasting assistance (for radio and television broadcasting), military assistance (training and equipment), and humanitarian assistance (for individuals fleeing Saddam Hussein). The Act specifically refused to grant the President authority to use U.S. Military force to achieve its stated goals and purposes, except as authorized under the Act in section 4(a)(2)) in carrying out this Act.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act

    Not quite an authorization to bomb Iran.....

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    No .

    Clinton exhausted the supply of cruise missiles we had back then.
    Did Clinton occupy Iraq costing US taxpayers over a trilliion dollars in new debt and counting?

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    The Iraqi Liberation act of 1988

    ...what a neocon shill
    I'm a neocon shill?

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    By the way, turns out Clinton ordered THREE bombing campaigns on Iraq during his time in office...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing...28June_1993%29

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing...tember_1996%29

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing...cember_1998%29

    Still gonna argue that Clinton didn't bomb Iraq, boutons?

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    netanyahu says a lot of things and appears to be getting more and more desperate..i'm more worried about an israeli false flag attack to pull us into war than i am about iran honestly. it's not like they've never pulled that one before.
    The United states should just tell them you are on your own if you pull that crap. The US should have Israel on the puppet string, not the other way around.

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    The United states should just tell them you are on your own if you pull that crap. The US should have Israel on the puppet string, not the other way around.
    Agreed! Although I think no relation with Israel would be best tho as they're just too much trouble any way you put or have it.
    Last edited by Spurs da champs; 09-18-2012 at 11:06 PM.

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    for those ethnic minorities in the middle east without a land to call themselves too....why not just give them a fkn island and reallocate them there and do what they wanna do....

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    for those ethnic minorities in the middle east without a land to call themselves too....why not just give them a fkn island and reallocate them there and do what they wanna do....
    the middle east is sacred land for them.

    they could get smart and buy their way into a land, but the Israelis will never allow that. that is why they keep them living like dogs.

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    Did Clinton occupy Iraq costing US taxpayers over a trilliion dollars in new debt and counting?
    That wasn't my point. It's a pussy president that shoots missiles instead of putting in real men.

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    That wasn't my point. It's a pussy president that shoots missiles instead of putting in real men.


    I agree, it takes a real man to send kids he doesn't give two s about to war! Only a pussy cares about saving American lives!

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    That wasn't my point. It's a pussy president that shoots missiles instead of putting in real men.
    Wow, what's sad is that Wild Creeper actually believes that , tbh....

    In reality, it's a pussy president that feels the need to go to war at all to "spread American democracy" (even though we live in a republic)....

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    That wasn't my point. It's a pussy president that shoots missiles instead of putting in real men.
    Wow, just wow.

    I don't want to seriously reply unless... do you really believe this or should there be a "/s" at the end?

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