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Does anyone else find it hilarious that Bloomberg is ing about Obama raising the top income tax rate from 35% to 39% (an 11.4% increase on total tax paid on earned income over $388,000) but that he was great with raising property taxes by 18.5%?
gaycob has no sympathy whatsoever for gay people who are born with a predisposed attraction to the same sex yet has tons of sympathy for fatasses who eat unhealthy? No one is born morbidly obese, and there aren't "fat genes" that make it impossible to be skinn. Some people have slower metabolisms, just like some people have less mental capacity and weaker analytical skills they need to make up for with a strong work ethic.
gaycob is an idiot, these are the things we know
Does anyone else find it hilarious that Bloomberg is ing about Obama raising the top income tax rate from 35% to 39% (an 11.4% increase on total tax paid on earned income over $388,000) but that he was great with raising property taxes by 18.5%?
Last edited by baseline bum; 10-23-2012 at 01:55 AM.
It actually goes beyond that... check these quotes from him:
BLOOMBERG: ... Short-term we have to make sure we have a tax code that is understandable, and that everybody agrees is fair. And one that we can live with in terms of how we collect and how we make sure that everybody pays their fair share.
another:
'Those people take advantage of the protection our police department provides, of the safety our fire department provides, they throw out trash that our sanitation picks up, and when you say it's not fair, it's not fair to get a service and not pay your fair share of it.'
From here
So in other words maintaining or expanding the Bush tax cuts for the top bracket, and more taxes for everyone else? Sounds like fat Christie tbh.
The main difference being that Bloomberg is socially liberal, obviously. Christie is a strict party line guy.
People swim in an environment created totally by corporations and their saturation marketing, their "need creation". People think the way corporations want them to live is how to live, consume, consume, consume our non-stop, it's the only way to live, they implicitly trust corporations (if they are even not aware of how corporations control their lives), aren't naturally defensive, aren't naturally cir spect, don't think critically, aren't automatically subversive, all of which is what it takes to be healthy and be your own person, rather than be a dumb-down robot being sold .
Corporations running schools and universities for profit and indoctrination of placid, compliant, gullible, "sellable" consumers is just an extension of the corporate nightmare.
"Weight loss would be pointless if you weren't overweight" astonishing insight, thanks.
Ok I think people should give me their money non stop. Does that mean I create an environment where you begin to believe that? People do what they want to do, and that's always been more slanted to what's bad for them than what's good for them. The tenets of a free society is that we have the right to err and be held responsible, individually, for that.
Explain why people have become so irresponsible about their eating in the past 35 years during the explosion of overweight and obesity, but were responsible before that?
What changed? The 100Ms of people's self-control? or corporate marketing and crap, dead, synthetic food production.
As always with right wingers, Human-Americans are guilty, while Corporate-Americans are always faultless and operate in good faith.
Well, depending on how you look at it. On the other hand, being a fat ass is also extremely common here vs other civilized nations around the world, it's implicitly more accepted and not as negatively viewed upon imo. Obviously more families here are OK with it because there's way more fat people. I'd say my immediately family who are all from a country where there aren't really that many fat people look down upon being obese more than your average US citizen.
Last edited by ALVAREZ6; 10-23-2012 at 05:27 PM.
It's an interesting question and likely many factors.
I'd say economic growth, being relatively wealthy, living in excess, the growth of the fast food industry all at play. Then, the shift in economy to more service sectors and less manufacturing, manual labor, etc is another factor. Maybe even the rapid life style in parts of the country and less vaca/average work time compared to some European counterparts is another factor. Increasing demand for convenience. Some of these factors probably affect the same trends in other countries too as the world in general has gotten fatter over the years.
Now I just thought of more aspects of our culture that can have an affect. I'm not sure how big typical meal sizes at restaurants were 30-50 years ago, but I'm willing to bet they weren't as big as they are now. If you're served a big portion and you're eating out and naturally want the best bang for your buck and the meal tastes very good, it's hard to stop eating. I certainly don't, but I exercise and am young/have fast metabolism. Then you there's other aspects that probably have a small effect on average, but add to my previous post about it being widely accepted to be fat in the US. A lot of sports events encourage eating your face off, stuffing your stomach with fatty foods and beer for hours. And these are huge sports (namely baseball and football) that a lot of people attend, regularly. We have shows like Man vs. Food where tons of people (in person and on TV) cheer while an obese man attempts to put 7lbs of food in his stomache. And they go to restaurants across the country were the general pop tries it. There's probably some more examples like these in US culture, but I don't think they're big in other civilized countries.
Almost everywhere you look eating unhealthily is encouraged.
Keep editing as I think of more: football(american) is played but tons of young kids and adults in the US, and for about half of the players on the field, being large is needed and encouraged. Most high school lineman are flat out fat asses, and if you think the number of kids on a team, the number of teams, definitely a factor. The more popular sports around most of world heavily discourage being overweight. Even a contact sport like rugby, it's an endurance game.
Last edited by ALVAREZ6; 10-23-2012 at 05:30 PM.
With a massive, very diverse (racially, economically, culturally) country, I think smaller federal govs and gov trying to protect individual from its own decisions is not efficient. I'm just wired to think in terms of efficiency. The more the gov gets involved in these matters, the more resources we use inefficiently. I think the majority of our population ought to start thinking this way because we're going to continue to contribute to our massive debt.
Well, are you a landlord?
"gov trying to protect individual from its own decisions is not efficient"
Who's going to protect Human-Americans from Corporate-Americans?
While people certainly don't get enough exercise, that's not really a problem for weight control if they are consuming a break-even level of (nutritious) calories. The fundamental problem is eating and its quality and quan y. Food is the basis of health, and the basis of disease.
Exercise is also a very ineffective way to lose excess weight AND keep it off long term.
The cost of food in industrial restaurants isn't a dominant cost, so they serve huge portions so people leave with feeling of satiety. Portion control is the key to calorie control, assuming the portions are of quality.
There is also the proven "contagion" of overweight, where acquaintances, not even nearby acquaintances, influence how much excess weight one carries.
Corporate-Americans are the same as Human-Americans (caps yours). They are the same people. Most of us work for corporations. The corporations we work for offer goods or services and their marketing departments look for loopholes in the human psyche to exploit. The days of fur trading for repeating rifles after a 3 month trek across big river and many moons are over. This is the world we live in, take responsibility or punch out.
They weren't ever responsible. The rise of organized crime, alcoholism, wife beating, molestations, over indulgence in everything available. I don't know what world you are reading about but it wasn't this one if you think people took personal responsibility.
However, what little accountability people once were forced to take for their own actions was removed by people who never had to work for a living, never knew it was possible to starve to death, never killed or grew their own food or built their own home or even raised their own kids. Oh but they felt liberated so they were quick to tell others how they should live, how they should act, and when these people became politicians and lawyers or both, they enacted legislation to appease their cons uents. That legislation made milk fed prey out of the general public, having them upturn their visages to the law makers to do the work they didn't want to do in their personal lives, like take personal responsibility for their own actions. Psychologists (people who weren't accepted into tougher programs) blurred the lines of personal accountability and genetic/social disposition. Now we by and large honestly feel that every wrong should be fixed by legislation, not by accountability. We want the easier fix, rights and freedoms. We are fat lazy mother ers because no one is chasing us through the woods trying to kill us, and because we can adequately live our lives regardless of being unable to put our feet together because of liberal democrat social programs that are geared to keep a crop of tax money dependent lazy fat ers.
People like you who believe everything they see or read as long as it allows them to stay in bed and never do anything but run their sleeves. Inactive activists are the new thing. Blog about it you got.What changed? The 100Ms of people's self-control? or corporate marketing and crap, dead, synthetic food production.
As always with right wingers, Human-Americans are guilty, while Corporate-Americans are always faultless and operate in good faith.
someone needs to end this matchup, DMC has gone bout it bout it.
Some decades ago, before the corps ed up the food, land, air, the USA wasn't obsessed with being/losing fat, and exercising, simply because 2/3 weren't fat or obese, at all age levels. There wasn't any huge issue with "personal irresponsibility" or moral laxity that caused overweight/obesity. People just lived and ate, and maintained a healthful weight. Sometimes around the 1980, something changed, or a long, slow change in food and eating became evident as people piled on the pounds.
btw, you seem to think your red-team, red state bubbas, Repugs are lean and mean, self-disciplined, moral example of good health.
"We are fat lazy mother ers because no one is chasing us through the woods trying to kill us"
And chasing us through the woods stopped in ... 1980?
Your analysis and "reasoning" of the fat epidemic is a erroneous, wrong-headed, silly as your politics.
"People like you who believe everything they see or read as long as it allows them to stay in bed"
and you're a lean and mean athlete who reads nothing but produces a never-ending stream of original perceptions and dircect contact with primary sources?
You regurgitate the right-wing fantasies, ideologies in lock-step with the VRWC propaganda/myth machine.
And of course, corporations, super wealthy and powerful, that shape USA culture and values are completely innocent of any wrong doing.
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