LOL
I didn't say congress would ever pass it, I said it would work and it would. You really think the CEO of Tyson foods would allow his managers at the chicken processing plants to hire illegals if he thought it could land him in jail?
Same goes for your craigslist companies. ..lawncare, etc. You really think they would risk hiring illegals if they thought they could land in jail and get a huge fine?
I would support a hybrid of amnesty probation and harsh employer sanctions. if an illegal registers and comes out of the underground economy he get a green card to continue working at his job as long as taxes are paid. Keep your nose clean for 10 years and learn english as a second language and you get your citizenship. Why wouldn't we want a citizen like that?
What about the quotas and people that the illegal gets to jump in front of. Are you really going to give your middle finger to those doing it right?
I am a realist and accept the fact that a transitional program has to be implemented if we are ever going to seriously address the problem.
You have an implementation date. Those in the country on X date get to apply for a probationary green card. Break the law and you lose your green card and job.
With the employer sanctions you stop the flow of new illegals because there are no underground jobs available to new entries.
I'm a realist too. I despise the probability that law breakers will cut in line before those attempting to come here the right way. I do acknowledge that we have a wealth of great people who have been these law breakers as well. Like I have pointed out on multiple occasions, I am flat out against any talk of amnesty until our borders are secure. Your own words:
Any talk of plans will cause a flood of more illegals trying to get here before the deadline.Those in the country on X date get to apply for a probationary green card.
I propose severe penalties for the employers who hire them. Make it next to impossible for it to be a positive thing for them to come here illegally.
Seriously. Are we going to say " you" to the immigrants who go through the proper process?
Yes. One way or another. I'd rather come up with a realistic plan that stops future illegal immigration. "Sealing the border" is impossible. I realize you live in the northwest and have probably never seen the Mexican border but it thousands of miles of rough ass country. Instead of spending billions trying to seal the border use 1/10 of what we are spending now on employer monitoring/enforcement and the border self seals itself because there is no incentive to cross illegally..
I'm OK with not physically sealing the border for the illegal immigrants. Without financial incentive to be here, they will stop coming. Now I would say we still need to seal it better for trafficking purposes.
What good is a no fly list if these people can walk across for example?
If we legalized and taxed pot we would eliminate most of the trafficking too and mortally wound the cartels in the pocket where it really hurts.
Make me the emperor and I will fix all this in ten years.
I don't think it really "sweetens" the pot. If we make them pay fines/penalties, then the only real "bonus" they get out of it is being eligible for SS/medicaid, and not having to worry about deportation.
Again, it may "sweeten" the pot slightly, but I don't think the idea of self-deportation is very viable.
I would think we could keep them in the back of the line. Give them green cards, but make them wait longer to become actual citizens than those who did things the "right" way. Also, people doing it the right way wouldn't have to pay the penalties.
The problem with the self deportation issue is the pain it causes.
Without debating the moral issue there are a lot of employers out there hiring illegal aliens because there is no downside to them to do so.
If you put the employer sanctions in place without a path to citizenship it's a lose/lose situation.
The employer is forced to bring in a valuable and productive employee and tell him..."Sorry Jose...you have been a great employee but I have to fire you because they are gonna put me in jail if I don't"
Th Alternative is "Hey Jose...fill this form out and you can get a green card to continue to work here...keep your nose clean and learn to speak english better and you can be a citizen in 10 years".
Why the wouldn't we want hard working, productive tax paying citizens that don't get in trouble with the law?
That isn't the only drug crossing the border, and I think you agree we don't want to legalize the others.
Why even accept them? Just because they are here? How many of them are in high enough paying jobs to not have subsidized living? Shouldn't we require those being subsidized to accept any job available, or lose subsidies first? Then if we have more job openings than available workers, we can issue work visas.
Supply and demand. The more labor you have willing to work for fewer jobs, the lower the wage base will be. If we cut off the supply of cheap labor, then incomes will go up.
Why do you want to keep wages suppressed?
Most of the illegal immigrants don't even want to be citizens. They just want the opportunity of a better living. Think that would do any good?
not as bad as if they want to be citizens & influence the US politics like "legal" immigrants do tbh
Do you really think wages will go up? Heck, look at all the companies that are cutting people due to Obamacare. I could turn around and ask why you want to reduce the amount of jobs available.
And yes, we should "accept them" because I don't think they're going anywhere anyways. While CCs idea might work, I highly doubt it would ever get past a vote in Congress.
Better living would probably include not having to worry about being deported. And if they just want green cards, then sure. They would have to continue to remain productive and out of trouble to renew their green card.
Speaking of which, along with border control, they need better review of lapsed green cards. That's a big issue too, and a tough one to get around.
It's likely that marijuana is one of the higher volume drugs being transported.
The vast majority of these fellas are paid cash for their daily work under the table. They're picked up in the morning, dropped off in the afternoon. They come here for the summer and take their spoils with them back home for the winter.
They're the most damaging kind too, because they soak up the money and leave to spend it somewhere else. They're also not tax payers (neither them or the employer). And if they get hurt, we're paying for the hospital visit.
I don't like it one bit, but none of those guys are going to 'self-deport'. The jobs (especially seasonal) are going to be there for them whenever they want. E-verify doesn't matter, they won't be registered as employees anyways.
You are also overlooking the political pull of farmers and what not that hire these people, and that would increase their costs a lot if they were not there (both from paying americans or simply because americans won't do as much work).
The sensible way to address this is to shut down the border and some sort of seasonal temporary worker visa, simply because during that time there's much more demand for work than what the country can fulfill.
I would argue this is the usual disconnect about illegal immigration. They don't care if you deport them, because if they really want to, they can come back (in the current state of affairs with the border anyways).
Heck, some of them will leave and then come back later because they hate the cold winter here.
If you can't effectively close down the border (and maybe not 100% sealed off, but at least 50x more difficult than it is right now), then the problem isn't being addressed.
You can't outsource the picking of crops, and construction.
You will see food and building things get a bit more expensive as wages in both rise. We have sucked Mexico dry of labor, and, despite what many think, Mexico's economy is humming along, if the Economist article I read the other day is to be believed. Given that factory wages in China have quintupled in the last ten years, we will see more manufacturing jobs in Mexico, and that will keep a lot of potential border cross-ers/inas where they are.
Their children however, have grown up thinking of themselves as Mexican Americans, with an increasing emphasis on the latter.
Their grandkids will be Americans and fully integrated.
Problem solved.
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