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    Literally jumping under a player after they leave their feet is a foul. You have to be set before the player takes off.
    I agree, but see it called a charge all the time.

    Even if the player hasn't left his feet, I'm not a fan of someone jumping in front a micro second before the player gets there and being rewarded for it. I hate the way offensive players are babied nowl, and I'm all for letting the defender be more physical on the perimeter, but this is the one call I cannot stand, even when spurs players do it. Its fake defense.

    Stop calling it a charge and it forces players to think about using that tactic, and forces to contest shots. Even big men in The NBA spend to much time trying to draw charges.

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    "We tried to change it to any time in the game because last year I guess it was everyone was fouling Tiago Splitter ....

    good lord, what a tool. Lol

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    Literally jumping under a player after they leave their feet is a foul. You have to be set before the player takes off.
    If only it were called that way.

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    I agree, but see it called a charge all the time.

    Even if the player hasn't left his feet, I'm not a fan of someone jumping in front a micro second before the player gets there and being rewarded for it. I hate the way offensive players are babied nowl, and I'm all for letting the defender be more physical on the perimeter, but this is the one call I cannot stand, even when spurs players do it. Its fake defense.

    Stop calling it a charge and it forces players to think about using that tactic, and forces to contest shots. Even big men in The NBA spend to much time trying to draw charges.
    There was a time in the NBA when you'd get hit so hard for trying to draw a charge that you'd never do it again. Players could police themselves by lowering the boom on guys that do that.

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    History will repeat itself - Stern will do whatever it takes to help the Lakers.

    Count on it.

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    Maybe they can change the rule that when teams Hack-A- (Insert name) the dude gets 4 free throw attempts instead of 2. That'd put an end to the hacking.

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    This ing guy...

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    Please David ----JUST GO AWAY--------Damn it, just let them make their foul shots! Every team will exploit the other teams weakness.....what next -no fouling of 7ft players in the last 2 min of the game!

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    I agree, but see it called a charge all the time.
    Really? I see the opposite, that it's mostly block calls unless it's a clear charge. I think maybe you are seeing it the way you want to see it, because you think that moving into the path of the offensive player and getting set (even if "a microsecond before") is "fake defense".

    Even if the player hasn't left his feet, I'm not a fan of someone jumping in front a micro second before the player gets there and being rewarded for it. I hate the way offensive players are babied nowl, and I'm all for letting the defender be more physical on the perimeter, but this is the one call I cannot stand, even when spurs players do it. It's fake defense.
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    I guess I have to disagree. The basic difference between football and basketball is that you are not allowed to knock over a defender. Instead you have to use your skills to work around them. A big part of playing defense is getting in the way of the offensive player. If you change that, you fundamentally change the game, and in my view, make it much less compelling. I don't want to see a bunch of goons plowing over people. I want to see skilled offense.

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    Really? I see the opposite, that it's mostly block calls unless it's a clear charge. I think maybe you are seeing it the way you want to see it, because you think that moving into the path of the offensive player and getting set (even if "a microsecond before") is "fake defense".

    I guess I have to disagree. The basic difference between football and basketball is that you are not allowed to knock over a defender. Instead you have to use your skills to work around them. A big part of playing defense is getting in the way of the offensive player. If you change that, you fundamentally change the game, and in my view, make it much less compelling. I don't want to see a bunch of goons plowing over people. I want to see skilled offense.[/QUOTE]

    I don't disagree with you. I don't want running backs driving through the lane. There are different types of these block charge calls. Don't have time to post examples of what I'm talking about right now.

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    Tiago should be the example for how to deal with the hack-a-whoever strategy: work on your damn free throws.

    Edit: just looked up Tiago's FT% this year: 72.6%. Not bad!
    Yep. This. Hacking Splitter is a re ed move now. The did it take, one offseason to improve his FT shooting? Even Blair bumped up his FT shooting from 63% to 76% this offseason. Timmy is shooting 78%. . .Green up from 79% to 90%!

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    That's just utterly ridiculous.

    Hack a Shaq. No problem, Lakers were still winning.
    Hack a Ben? All fine.
    Hack a Tiago? No Problem.
    Hack a DH @ Magic? Why not.
    Hack a DH @ Lakers? RULE CHANGE.

    Since Jordan retired the 2nd time Stern basically wanted to make a new MJ to carry the league. Only problem: none of the next generation of perimeter players (Kobe, Wade, Lebron, etc.) were as good as Jordan. Therefore, Stern had to make the game easier for them, by banning defenders from playing actual defense. No hand checking anymore, 3-second rule to prevent teams to clog the lane etc...

    The ranks of FTA leaders each year used to be dominated by post players, now they're dominated by perimeter players. In the last full NBA season, 8 players had 600+ FTA. That only happened 1 time from 1973-2004. It happened 3 times from 2005-2011.

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    I disagree with the whole conspiracy theory.

    Stern hasn't liked the hack a ... for years. The reason is simple: that's ugly to watch and hurt the NBA product. He is, without a doubt, saying the truth about his last try with the Splitter case as an example of why it hurts the game. Now, he is suddenly talking about that just because journalist are asking him question about it. That's all.

    Personally, I agree with Stern that the rule must change. Hacking a player is again the spirit of the game and is ugly to watch. The whole "they just had to work on their FTs" is BS to me. For some players, even with hard work, hitting FTs is damn hard. Ben Wallace has a 0.414 FT% and i don't see how you can call accuse of laziness given what he has done.
    While I agree it's against the spirit of the game and it slows it down, if you earn 15 $ million, you should be able to hit your FT's. And Stern was moaning against it also in the previous years, but not as much as he's doing now. If the big market teams were still winning (like LA 2000-2002) it was not that big of an issue. Stern's wet dream is a matchup of LA-Miami in the finals. That's no secret. And right now LA is screwing it up.

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