Another potential problem next year.

[jochhejaam]

I think Manu is on the verge of landing some big endorsements, and if that happens, the difference in salary won't bother him.

Inside sources have him endorsing a very popular and internationally distrubuted fertilizer thats to be called predictably "Manu's Manure".

Other possibilities his agents are suggesting are the mayonaisse guys man's changing their name to manu's, and the tough guys soup Campbells Manhandlers to Manuhandlers.

[Brodels]

We will have to disagree that it’s not ridiculously clear that Manu is a far superior employee. Though I bet 9 out of 10 people would start with Manu before Tony.

See, I don't necessarily disagree with that. It's just that nine out of ten people wanting Manu over Tony doesn't mean that Manu is 'ridiculously' a 'far superior' player. And I think it's simply not the truth anyway. Manu has never been the scorer during the regular season that Tony is. I think it could be argued that Manu is the better player, but it's going to be difficult for you to show that he's undoubtedly far superior and that people choosing Manu over Tony believe that too.

Tell me what the avg top 5 point guards make vs the avg top 5 swing players? If there’s a wide disparity and then I’ll agree with you. I don’t think you will find one.

You can't use averages in this case because some players are on rookie contracts. Lebron is on a rookie contract, so the numbers would be skewed if you chose to include him. The rookie salary scale makes such comparisons useless. In addition, just because a player signed a contract doesn't mean that he isn't overpaid. And it doesn't mean that another team would or wouldn't sign him to a larger or smaller dollar amount at any given time. Just because some dumbass paid Allan Houston the max doesn't mean that solid shooting guards in general are going to make a ton of money. Also, some of the contracts we'd be talking about would have been signed five or six or more years ago. The climate was certainly different then.

I'm talking about what's in demand right now.

Look at your sentence three pointers at the END OF GAMES. What is it in Robert Horry that allows him to do that better than anyone else? There is an intangible quality about him.

His ability to make three pointers at the ends of games is a tangible skill. You can put your hands around it. You know it's going to happen. You can develop tangible stats to support it. It's do ented and concrete.

The water is muddier when talking about role players. But I’m open minded enough to consider you might be right.

I just don't understand why it would be any different for role players. Superstars may have bigger egos, but I think that many role players have the same affliction.

Never said that was their only value, but one part. City did pay $500 million to keep their team, so there must be some economic value. Imagine if the team actually left, I bet the city would ante up a billion dollars to get them back.

There is certainly economic value, but I'm questioning you about why you think that the Spurs being in town makes a real significant difference when businesses are thinking about coming to town. There are other economic benefits to be sure. Then again, other small markets have lost professional sporting teams without taking huge economic hits.

Not going to fight with you because you made an attempt to address each point.

And I'll do the same. Good talk.

[ChumpDumper]

Manu already knew Tony's contract was larger than his before the season even started.

Would you say this affected his play in any way?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Manu deserves better and I would do a Terrell Owens on this contract now that he is a superstar.

I swear we need a Salary Cap for Dummies primer stickied to the top of the board.

[50 cent]

Re ed Thread Forum.

[dn0]

I think manu is pretty happy with the contract he negotiated, of course if it would have happened this year, it would be much higher.
Now, based on what they did on the court this year, I think manu played for tp's 66 or more and TP .. let's just say that he concentrated too much on eva and rap in my opinion.

[samikeyp]

Manu deserves better and I would do a Terrell Owens on this contract now that he is a superstar.

Terrell Owens is the definition of what is wrong with Pro sports. Manu does NOT need to follow his example. You sign a contract, you fulfill that contract, period.

[ZStomp]

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Is this glass half full or half empty?



I bet you look at this glass as half empty. While many of us see it as half full. Why don't y ou just fuken enjoy the championship that our Spurs just won? And enjoy the damn summer!

[NZHayden]

they should play for the love of the game not the money

[2centsworth]

He'd likely get more on the open market than he did with the Spurs, so what's the point?

You think he would get more than 11 mil per season on the open market. I think the spurs over paid.

[midgetonadonkey]

they should play for the love of the game not the money

Ya and O.J. and Micheal Jackson should have been guilty...too bad this isn't a perfect world.

[bpergrem3]

Now consider if Nazr Mohammed was given a contract that paid him alot more than Tim Duncan, though Tim wouldn't grip would he feel underappreciated?

There's no way Nazr gets a max deal. If he wants that kind of money he can go somewhere else.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Men of character, no problem here.

As for the underpaid/overpaid, without the athletes there is no NBA. The NBA makes loads of money off the backs of the athletes. The athletes get 57% of that as mandated by the CBA. That seems pretty fair to me.

It is society that overvalues sport/entertainment over health care, education, environment, etc, not the athletes fault.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The athletes get 57% of that as mandated by the CBA. That seems pretty fair to me.

Yeah, but the players aren't the ones paying:

1. insurance on players for injuries
2. arena overhead
3. marketing and promotional costs
4. a couple hundred million up front for the team

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Aggie, that's why the owners get the other 43%. What, you think the owners aren't making any money? C'mon, they are doing just fine, and every year the value of their franchises increases.

What % do you think the players should get?

[LilMissSPURfect]

Manu deserves better and I would do a Terrell Owens on this contract now that he is a superstar.

I have 5 bucks to add to the bucket.....heck i'd give up my weekend for manu....make it 20$.....

[ChumpDumper]

You think he would get more than 11 mil per season on the open market.

Yes. Name me another 23 year old point guard with his speed and two championships.

Just think -- teams could be courting him in a matter of days had the extension not been made.

[2centsworth]

Yes. Name me another 23 year old point guard with his speed and two championships.

Those two reasons will get him a few bucks but not nearly enough to justify $11mil. The lakers are in some serious need of PG help, but do you think they would pay Tony $11mil. If not the Lakers, who else?

[ChumpDumper]

but do you think they would pay Tony $11mil.

If they had the cap space, of course they would.

If not the Lakers, who else?

Atlanta
Cleveland
Milwaukee

And several teams that could put together a sign and trade.

[DesiSpur_21]

Money matters, but when you have 10s of millions, does it really matter? I think Manu is a smart businessman as well - his balance sheet is going to look better than Tony's when all is said and done. More than that, he'd have to regret big-time if it becomes the only issue for him to move on. The guy is smart.

Remember S-jax? The guy could have been a winner here with a decent money - but ended up in a thug team with more money.

Ultimately it's what you are that drives a decision, but not what you want.

[TheTruth]

There's no way Nazr gets a max deal. If he wants that kind of money he can go somewhere else.

It's a hypothetical question.

[pjjrfan]

I truly believe if Manu was in it for the Money he would have strong armed the Nuggets for a bigger contract which they probably would have given him, so I think he settled for the Spurs contract because being in SA was more important to him than the amount of money he would get. Of course, 52 mill over 6 years is nothing to sneeze at, I'm sure he is smart enough to make ends meet.

[ambchang]

In other news:
Tim Duncan has demanded Amy to have plastic surgery after seeing Tony having the ridiculously hotter partner in Evan Longoria.
Golden States Warriors are renegotiating its contract with Adonal Foyle, and will pay him $15/hr to wash real players' jock straps.

[1Parker1]

In other news:
Tim Duncan has demanded Amy to have plastic surgery after seeing Tony having the ridiculously hotter partner in Evan Longoria.

, the jealousy and hatred is spreading!

[pache100]

Manu MUST hold out! The Spurs are low-balling him.

Yeah, that always works. Just ask Steven Jackson how well that works out for you, even basing your demands on a Championship. He's playing for the Pacers now (his second team since the Spurs).

The Spurs don't mess around with that crap, they don't have to. Their philosophy is to offer what is fair and what they believe you are worth to the organization. If you want to play with a contender, you will take the offer. If not, you don't take their phone calls and they'll see you in Atlanta.