Plan B Fails

[baseline bum]

If you think anything is getting done before the last few days of the year.....

They have to. It's the Republicans' only leverage to stop the military cuts, which the Democrats will surely end up conceding to if it avoids the cliff. All that dries up Janaury 1st.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I don't think you saw the point of my post. I think something will get done before the end of the year.....I'm saying it's gonna be very very last minute.

[SnakeBoy]

I personally hope we go over the cliff...I want to see America fail...I want to see white people lose their 401k's and feel what it is to live paycheck to paycheck....like most black people....it's been time for the cliff..the beauty of it all is that once we go over..Repubs will get the blame...

Ticket - Hillary Clinton / Mic e Obama - 2016 that is an unstoppable ticket

LOL, what the do you think the "cliff" is? Spending cuts (needed) and a return to Clinton tax rates (also needed). Big ing deal. Funny to see all the democrats act like the Clinton tax rates were the most horrible thing to ever happen to the middle class.

[Drachen]

..... and LnGrrrR is having a september baby.

[Wild Cobra]

This is just the appetizer... Next up is the debt ceiling 'nego ations'... I wonder if Bohner should even show up. Can't seemingly control his own guys...

There you go again with your authoritarian views. You think the other republicans are going to be controlled? Maybe Obama can control the demonrats, but most these republicans are saying no to the tax increases Obama wants, especially without the cuts specified.

Please... show me where the democrats have specified any cuts that will affect the deficit.

[Wild Cobra]

..... and LnGrrrR is having a september baby.

Must be wanting another $1k tax credit...

[boutons_deux]

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[Th'Pusher]

There you go again with your authoritarian views. You think the other republicans are going to be controlled? Maybe Obama can control the demonrats, but most these republicans are saying no to the tax increases Obama wants, especially without the cuts specified.

Please... show me where the democrats have specified any cuts that will affect the deficit.

Why is it that you think it is the democrats' responsibility to specify cuts? If republicans are pushing for cuts they should specify what they want. The democrats are pushing for revenues and have been very specific about what revenue they want.

[Borat Sagyidev]

Must be wanting another $1k tax credit...

Oh, the republican insights to life. Tell us more oh might wise internet stalker.

[Borat Sagyidev]

There you go again with your authoritarian views. You think the other republicans are going to be controlled? Maybe Obama can control the demonrats, but most these republicans are saying no to the tax increases Obama wants, especially without the cuts specified.

Please... show me where the democrats have specified any cuts that will affect the deficit.

Why is it that you think it is the democrats' responsibility to specify cuts? If republicans are pushing for cuts they should specify what they want. The democrats are pushing for revenues and have been very specific about what revenue they want.

The Democrats have specified cuts in Republican influence. It´s simply pointless to argue with them, it´s borderline mental insanity.

[Wild Cobra]

Why is it that you think it is the democrats' responsibility to specify cuts? If republicans are pushing for cuts they should specify what they want. The democrats are pushing for revenues and have been very specific about what revenue they want.

Are you joking? You are sorely misinformed if you are serious. The democrats will strike down any cuts the republicans come up with, and claim it wasn't bipartisan. The republicans have been asking for the democrats to tell them what they will accept for cuts to pass in the senate and not be vetoed. They get no answers.

[LnGrrrR]

..... and LnGrrrR is having a september baby.

Nope, already had one last year.

[LnGrrrR]

Must be wanting another $1k tax credit...

Thankfully that $1k completely covers the cost of raising a child and then some

[Wild Cobra]

Thankfully that $1k completely covers the cost of raising a child and then some

It shouldn't be there. I did just fine without such credits when my kids were growing up. Yes, it costs much more to raise kids. Would you have kids if you couldn't afford to?

[Th'Pusher]

Are you joking? You are sorely misinformed if you are serious. The democrats will strike down any cuts the republicans come up with, and claim it wasn't bipartisan. The republicans have been asking for the democrats to tell them what they will accept for cuts to pass in the senate and not be vetoed. They get no answers.

Lol. You don't seem to understand how negotiation works. Democrats are not going to come out and list a bunch of cuts to en lement programs so the republicans can reject it then campaign in 2014 that democrats wanted to make huge cuts to SS and Medicare. If republicans want to cut en lements, they need to specify what cuts they want as a part of a larger deal that raises revenue and cuts en lements. Obama put chained CPI on the table and Boehner didn't even counter the offer. Instead, they came up with plan b and they couldn't even get that passed in their own caucus. Ball is in their court.

[LnGrrrR]

It shouldn't be there. I did just fine without such credits when my kids were growing up. Yes, it costs much more to raise kids. Would you have kids if you couldn't afford to?

Sure, of course. I don't necessarily think we need the reduction, but I don't think it's likely to go anywhere. Republicans are usually about lowering taxes, not raising them on families. That doesn't really look good politically-speaking.

[Wild Cobra]

Sure, of course. I don't necessarily think we need the reduction, but I don't think it's likely to go anywhere. Republicans are usually about lowering taxes, not raising them on families. That doesn't really look good politically-speaking.

I'm with the republicans on keeping taxes low, I'm just against them when they talk about tax credits.

[Borat Sagyidev]

It shouldn't be there. I did just fine without such credits when my kids were growing up. Yes, it costs much more to raise kids. Would you have kids if you couldn't afford to?

Thankfully that $1k completely covers the cost of raising a child and then some

The Republican logic is baffling. More concerned about a 1k tax credit than subsidies to the tunes of billions and trillions to the oil and financial industries.

[Wild Cobra]

Lol. You don't seem to understand how negotiation works. Democrats are not going to come out and list a bunch of cuts to en lement programs so the republicans can reject it then campaign in 2014 that democrats wanted to make huge cuts to SS and Medicare. If republicans want to cut en lements, they need to specify what cuts they want as a part of a larger deal that raises revenue and cuts en lements. Obama put chained CPI on the table and Boehner didn't even counter the offer. Instead, they came up with plan b and they couldn't even get that passed in their own caucus. Ball is in their court.

There you go. Democrats worried about reelection rather than doing the right thing. The party that couldn't even pass a budget when they controlled both houses, and you want to blame the republicans playing politics...

Think about what you are saying for a moment. The senate hasn't been passing anything the republics send them budget wise. Why will this change? The house is asking the democrats to tell them what they can cut. SS is not a cut that will affect the deficit.

I'll say that again in case the fact elludes you.

Cutting SS, the chained CPI, etc. has absolutely no effect on the deficit or debt.

Now... If you believe that is a cut for the purpose of this package, then you really don't know .

[Th'Pusher]

There you go. Democrats worried about reelection rather than doing the right thing. The party that couldn't even pass a budget when they controlled both houses, and you want to blame the republicans playing politics...

Think about what you are saying for a moment. The senate hasn't been passing anything the republics send them budget wise. Why will this change? The house is asking the democrats to tell them what they can cut. SS is not a cut that will affect the deficit.

I'll say that again in case the fact elludes you.

Cutting SS, the chained CPI, etc. has absolutely no effect on the deficit or debt.

Now... If you believe that is a cut for the purpose of this package, then you really don't know .

Ok WC. You're not running for reelection in 2014. Tell me specifically what cuts you would like to see the democrats offer up.

[Wild Cobra]

Ok WC. You're not running for reelection in 2014. Tell me specifically what cuts you would like to see the democrats offer up.

For starters, the food stamp program is way too generous. That can easily be cut to about 75% of the current speeding level. I'm sure it could be cut even deeper, but I wouldn't try to quantify anything past the 25% cut. That's just one program, and I know for every one I bring up, you will be acting like Chump to "give specifics."

We are way too generous to people in our handout programs, with little or no accountability. I was just thinking earlier today of when the economy recovered during the last four recessions I can remember. It happened when the government stopped extending unemployment insurance. Funny thing, people started working again!

[ChumpDumper]

Would the opposite of Freakonomics be onomics?

[ElNono]

There you go again with your authoritarian views. You think the other republicans are going to be controlled?

What do you think elected Bohner in the leadership position he has on the House? Are you saying Bohner is going rogue when he negotiates with the White House?

Maybe you're just stupid... lol you calling anybody authoritarian...

[Th'Pusher]

For starters, the food stamp program is way too generous. That can easily be cut to about 75% of the current speeding level. I'm sure it could be cut even deeper, but I wouldn't try to quantify anything pat the 25% cut. That's just one program, and I know for every one I bring up, you will be acting like Chump to "give specifics."

We are way too generous to people in our handout programs, with little or no accountability. I was just thinking earlier today of when the economy recovered during the last four recessions I can remember. It happened when the government stopped extending unemployment insurance. Funny thing, people started working again!

Ok. Right now a family of 4 is eligible for SNAP if their net income is just under $2k per month. They grt about $650 per month which goes right back into the economy as it's not a cash transfer. You'd like to see that reduced?

[Wild Cobra]

Ok. Right now a family of 4 is eligible for SNAP if their net income is just under $2k per month. They grt about $650 per month which goes right back into the economy as it's not a cash transfer. You'd like to see that reduced?

Yes. Reduce it.

Have you been around people who are eligible for food stamps? They could make wiser buying choices, and still eat well.

That $650/month is more than $21/day. There is something wrong if you can't feed a family of 4 on $15/day, and if someone has $2k net, should the government even be paying close to that? What are they doing? Buying steaks and all premade food that you pop in the microwave?

As for going into the economy...

subsidies!