Ginobili: I don't feel like Maradona

[hendrix]

Find me in chat one day and I'll give you the info. I don't want to be hounded by autograph requests here in the forum.

Yeah... right... Once again, you proved you were full of...

[Kori Ellis]

Yeah... right... Once again, you proved you were full of...

So are you trying to say his Grandpa isn't Argentinean and didn't play soccer there? You can ask who he is by private message if you want. But just because timvp didn't announce it in the forum doesn't mean it's not true. Even his mom and dad spend a lot of time in Argentina these days.

You are quickly becoming one of the most attacking assholes on the forum and I'm quite sick of it.

[danyel]

If you're laughing at how Argetine press covers the NBA, you should see how much they laugh when they hear US press talking about soccer.

You mean like Donovan nominated to the ESPYs for soccer player of the year with Ronaldinho?

[nkdlunch]

You mean like Donovan nominated to the ESPYs for soccer player of the year with Ronaldinho?

is this true!??

[timvp]

Timvp, you didn't answer my post or nkdlunch's. I thought it took a bronze medal for America to realize there's more to bball than a tomahawk dunk, but I guess I was wrong.
You people were proven wrong, but still didn't figure it out.

Yes, I've already covered that. Please try to catch up.

Like I said, there is a difference between a team that played together for two weeks and a team that went through an 82 game season and fought through the playoffs. This Spurs team has chemistry. That Olympic team didn't know each other.

But I'm not going to convince the homer Argentineans that the Spurs could beat the Almight Argentine National Team.

Your team could beat the original dream team. Your team would win all championship ever competed for. Better?

[Jelly]

Timvp, if you did the same analysis with Team USA it would have been far worst:

Iverson > Sanchez
Lebron > Manu
Melo > Nocioni
Amare > Scola
Duncan > Oberto

and so on. It's seems you didn't learn the lesson Argentina gave Team USA. It's not about the individuals, it's about the team. Arg squad has been playing together since they were kids. Besides, they all have the same nature as Manu. They are winners who give it all out. The have more heart than 100 Carmelos.

I think you are arguing the point for the U.S. team here. Especially when you emphasize the "team" component and then state that the Argentina team had played together since they were kids. If anything you are proving that Argentina and other nations had an advantage. And Duncan can only do so much when he is fouled out twice from the FIBA refs - the same number of times he'd been fouled out in eight years of playing in the NBA. Also, aside from Duncan, we did not send our top players to the Olympics. Everybody knows that. Yes, those players were all well know and are considered great, but we had better players who chose to stay home...like weasels. Read Tony Parkers blog. He has an entry before the Olympics were he predicts that the U.S. will have a tough time because the country's best players weren't going. Allen Iverson also called out (before the olympics) players that wouldn't go represent their country. Argentina has every right to be proud that they won, fair and square. But you have to admit it wasn't really a contest between Argentinas best and Americas best.

[nkdlunch]

Yes, I've already covered that. Please try to catch up.

Like I said, there is a difference between a team that played together for two weeks and a team that went through an 82 game season and fought through the playoffs. This Spurs team has chemistry. That Olympic team didn't know each other.

But I'm not going to convince the homer Argentineans that the Spurs could beat the Almight Argentine National Team.

Your team could beat the original dream team. Your team would win all championship ever competed for. Better?

timvp, sorry to stay on this subject. Lets say:

- FIBA officiated game.
- In a neutral spot, like Europe.
- Argentina National Team from 2004 olympics vs. Spurs Team from 2005 championship
- No Manu, let's say he decided not to play for either team

Please give me your reasons why you think Spurs would destroy Argentina. And no, please not your little list of guy1 > guy2, etc.

and btw, I'm not argentinian. Please educate me, cause I see it as an even matchup, not a destruction.

[benjirh]

I think you are arguing the point for the U.S. team here. Especially when you emphasize the "team" component and then state that the Argentina team had played together since they were kids. If anything you are proving that Argentina and other nations had an advantage. And Duncan can only do so much when he is fouled out twice from the FIBA refs - the same number of times he'd been fouled out in eight years of playing in the NBA. Also, aside from Duncan, we did not send our top players to the Olympics. Everybody knows that. Yes, those players were all well know and are considered great, but we had better players who chose to stay home...like weasels. Read Tony Parkers blog. He has an entry before the Olympics were he predicts that the U.S. will have a tough time because the country's best players weren't going. Allen Iverson also called out (before the olympics) players that wouldn't go represent their country. Argentina has every right to be proud that they won, fair and square. But you have to admit it wasn't really a contest between Argentinas best and Americas best.

But at the same time you can't say Argentina wouldn't have beaten our best. Yes, you can think it all you want. But because they chose not to play, we can't say they would have dominated Argentina. We don't know.

[timvp]

timvp, sorry to stay on this subject. Lets say:

- FIBA officiated game.
- In a neutral spot, like Europe.
- Argentina National Team from 2004 olympics vs. Spurs Team from 2005 championship
- No Manu, let's say he decided not to play for either team

Please give me your reasons why you think Spurs would destroy Argentina. And no, please not your little list of guy1 > guy2, etc.

and btw, I'm not argentinian. Please educate me, cause I see it as an even matchup, not a destruction.

How is it an even matchup? Nobody on Argentina's team would start for the Spurs. When the chemistry on the teams are even, the most talented team will win. The Spurs, by anyone who looked at it, would have more talent.

Without Manu, Argentina's national team wouldn't have done anything close to what they did in the Olympics. So no Argentina - Manu would beat Spurs - Manu?

Amazing.

[nkdlunch]

But at the same time you can't say Argentina wouldn't have beaten our best. Yes, you can think it all you want. But because they chose not to play, we can't say they would have dominated Argentina. We don't know.

We don't know. Exactly. That's exactly why I'm surprised when people state Spurs would destroy the Olympic champion. like its a fact.

[timvp]

We don't know. Exactly. That's exactly why I'm surprised when people state Spurs would destroy the Olympic champion.

Stunning. Nothing is known unless it happens.

Who is to say that me, nkdlunch and benjirh can't beat the Spurs? The game hasn't been played. We don't know.

[nkdlunch]

How is it an even matchup? Nobody on Argentina's team would start for the Spurs. When the chemistry on the teams are even, the most talented team will win. The Spurs, by anyone who looked at it, would have more talent.

So this is your sole reason why you think Spurs will destroy, under FIBA rules??? Sorry I disagree.

Without Manu, Argentina's national team wouldn't have done anything close to what they did in the Olympics. So no Argentina - Manu would beat Spurs - Manu?

Without Manu, Spurs wouln't have done anything close to what they did in the NBA also.

So no Argentina - Manu would beat Spurs - Manu?

I didn't catch this one.

[hendrix]

So are you trying to say his Grandpa isn't Argentinean and didn't play soccer there? You can ask who he is by private message if you want. But just because timvp didn't announce it in the forum doesn't mean it's not true. Even his mom and dad spend a lot of time in Argentina these days.

You are quickly becoming one of the most attacking assholes on the forum and I'm quite sick of it.

Well... excuse me... I wasnt getting an answer about his grandpa, what would you think?

[nkdlunch]

Stunning. Nothing is known unless it happens.

Who is to say that me, nkdlunch and benjirh can't beat the Spurs? The game hasn't been played. We don't know.

now you're getting it.

[timvp]

now you're getting it.

Alright. I got it.

From now on I only discuss things that have happened so there's no confusion

[danyel]

Without Manu, Argentina's national team wouldn't have done anything close to what they did in the Olympics.

I strongly disagree on that one. Argentina still had the now last two ACB's (strongest european league) MVPs in Scola and Nocioni, Oberto who is probably one of the best big men in Europe, great role players (Sanchez, Wolkowyski, Monthecchia) etc...

We almost won the WBC finals against Yugoslavia with Manu on the bench because of the twisted ankle. Maybe we wouldn't have won a gold medal, or gotten to the finals in both tournament, but we have put up a fight with the best teams out there.

[Kori Ellis]

Well... excuse me... I wasnt getting an answer about his grandpa, what would you think?

I would think that it's not normal to ask people the names of their family members on the internet and would ask them privately.

[benjirh]

Stunning. Nothing is known unless it happens.

Who is to say that me, nkdlunch and benjirh can't beat the Spurs? The game hasn't been played. We don't know.

Thanks. Hopefully, Pop is reading this. I am going to hold out for a 5yr-92mil deal. Actually what is the max, maybe I could get more. But I need you as my agent TIMVP. I pay my agents 15%.

[benjirh]

By the way, I am not claiming that the a true US superstar team wouldn't kill Argentina, I just don't like making excuses that would put an * by a championship. Argentina beat the US fair and square.

[timvp]

I strongly disagree on that one. Argentina still had the now last two ACB's (strongest european league) MVPs in Scola and Nocioni, Oberto who is probably one of the best big men in Europe, great role players (Sanchez, Wolkowyski, Monthecchia) etc...

We almost won the WBC finals against Yugoslavia with Manu on the bench because of the twisted ankle. Maybe we wouldn't have won a gold medal, or gotten to the finals in both tournament, but we have put up a fight with the best teams out there.

Actually, yeah you are probably right. Argentina wins with a team game. They played well after Manu was injured in 2002 or whenever that was.

I apologize.

[timvp]

By the way, I am not claiming that the a true US superstar team wouldn't kill Argentina, I just don't like making excuses that would put an * by a championship. Argentina beat the US fair and square.

True.

[timvp]

Thanks. Hopefully, Pop is reading this. I am going to hold out for a 5yr-92mil deal. Actually what is the max, maybe I could get more. But I need you as my agent TIMVP. I pay my agents 15%.

You have yourself a deal.

[nkdlunch]

Alright. I got it.

From now on I only discuss things that have happened so there's no confusion

nah don't go that far. But just don't act like Carmelo on David Letterman: "I guarantee a gold medal for the US!" good job Melo

[vanvannen]

Timvp, I am neither a Manu homer, nor argentinean. I just don't like that fact that the majority of the US did not learn a lesson from the Olympics and still think that a team like the Spurs without their second star would DESTROY the olympic champion. You are leaving out a MAJOR fact out, and that is the guts and heart that argie team had. It's not always about the talent you know. You can ask Vince Carter about it...

[WalterBenitez]

What happened to the Game ARG against Harlem Globes...?

Will they play in Las Vegas?