so many surreal posts I can't even find the strength... let the playoffs begin already...
Matt Bonner, career 3FG%: 41.8%
Matt Bonner, career playoff 3FG%: 32.9%
Matt Bonner, career scoring: 6.6 ppg
Matt Bonner, career playoff scoring: 3.2 ppg
Matt Bonner, career rebounding: 3.4 rpg
Matt Bonner, career playoff rebounding: 2.2 rpg
Yes, the man is a ing playoff stud. http://www.basketball-reference.com/...bonnema01.html
I can't give Pop an A- when Kawhi has Korver on him and doesn't have plays run for him. Inexcusable tbh.
Danny was getting picked and rubbed constantly against Korver. Harris is just too fast for Danny.
Did anybody else get the feeling Pop was displaying Bonner and Blair?
Really?!?!!!
He did what was expected from him, whitch being agressive and get in the paint again and again...
His mid range was off but that didn't stop his agressiveness, I LOVED THAT!!!
plus he waited the 4th to take over and he's our best scorer in the clutch, what else do you want??
ps/ And that wasn't "hero ball" (we really shoud stop with that!) but a leader taking his responsabilities in money time...
People are using "hero ball" way too often for my liking around here.
If Tony didn't take over in the 4th quarter then we likely lose that game. Anyone criticizing him for that this game is way off base IMO.
Let's do three-pointers made per game, too:
2009 regular season: 1.5 made per game
2009 playoffs: .6 made per game
2010 regular season: 1.38 made per game
2010 playoffs: 1 made per game
2011 regular season: 1.59 made per game
2011 playoffs: 1 made per game
2012 regular season: 1.62 made per game
2012 playoffs: .62 made per game
*His minutes dropped significantly from regular season this year
Everything drops (except his shots).
I thought Pop did well to manage Tony's minutes in a game where it was clear that most of the offense would have to be created by him. Also the offensive production from Bonner and Blair was much needed on a night when Neal would shoot so poorly.
Yep. Green comes on the cheap(?) at 3.5 mil. and can't stay out of the way, except on D and gets a B. Neal is expensive (?) at 0.85 mil., volunteered or was forced to change positions to fill a void for the team, to one that he doesn't excel at, and gets a D. Strange brew for sure. Oh I forgot, Green made a lay up.
I dont really believe in bonner, but Drz's argument was "small sample space", so posting those numbers is not going to help. More likely I would argue that no one said bball is fair, and sometimes if u dont make a reputation you may not get a chance... unfortunately for Bonner, he hasn't made a reputation (he has a terrible one in POs) and hes not extraordinary enough to get a chance because of his lack of athleticism and one dimensionality. So I dont see him getting another chance to play big minutes for this or any other team and I dont think anyone is losing sleep over it.
The problem with Green, Neal, Bonner is that they are not starters in the NBA and people here judge them as starters. When it comes to the playoffs you have to shorten your bench and it is your big five that are either going to win you a ring or get you kicked out of the dance.
Don't feed the troll, Bonner is useless in the playoffs, guards can shut him down.
I agree a quicker release is better than a slow release. But I disagree that it becomes more important in the playoffs, because you know what else becomes more important in the playoffs? Every single aspect of basketball. You're looking at one particular aspect of Bonner's shooting and trying to use it to explain why his playoff 3P% has been lower. See post #38 in this thread for why that is a bad thing to do.
Haha, thanks, I wasn't even going to reply to those posts. You are absolutely correct. Most of the numbers were even per game, and not per minute.
Although I didn't quote it, the rest of your post was good too.
Ohhhh my god. Wow. I've been defending Bonner on here for so long, but guards can shut him down? I never saw it that way. OMG. You're right. Here I've been quoting all these "numbers" and stuff, piecing together these arguments based on logic and reason, whatever the those are, but guards can shut him down! You're right, he's useless in the playoffs! Guards can shut him down! Thank you for showing me the light.
How do you expect anyone to take you seriously after that? Playoff basketball is NOTHING like regular season basketball.I disagree with two bolded parts:
1. He releases the ball well above his head (see pic below). He starts with the ball around his shoulder, but his release point is the same as nearly every other shooter.
2. Playoff basketball is the same game as regular season basketball, albeit with more talented teams and (slightly) more effort. The bigs that guard him, at best, are only going to close out on him barely faster than they do in the regular season. I don't see how this could cause much of a dropoff in shooting percentage. It seems vastly, VASTLY more likely that the existing difference is due to the very small number of shot attempts.
"5 years" of empirical evidence? You're trying to fluff it up to make it sound good, but you and I both know it's 85 3 point attempts.
If you can prove to me he becomes more hesitant to shoot when the moment is bigger, I will Paypal you $50. You have my word.
Baskets are still worth 1, 2, or 3 points. OHhhhhh, you've just proven wrong, suck it.
But seriously, the changes are extremely minor. The rules are even the same. Saying it's "NOTHING like regular season basketball" makes you look like a fool.
Come on, man. The teams that make the playoffs create game plans against the opposing team and make it one of the points of emphasis to shut down Bonner when he enters the game by running him off the three point line. Teams and players, alike, are more disciplined in the playoffs compared to the other 14 teams and countless players that do not make the playoffs.
The Thunder, for example, are so long and athletic that they can get out to a shooter as fast as almost anyone. Bonner played 54 minutes and was 1-7 from behind the three-point line in that series. That means for about every 8 minutes on the court, he attempted only 1 three. You know why? The Thunder would not allow him to shoot those threes by running hard right at him and forcing him to drive. This killed our spacing and was one of the reasons we lost that series. The Bonner ship has sailed, he routinely gets shut down in the playoffs, move on.
I didn't mention the other aspect, which plays just as big of a part as his shooting mechanics, and that is his confidence. I knew you wouldn't listen to that, so I didn't bother. Basically, Bonner gets scared in the playoffs and doesn't shoot the ball with the same confidence as he does earlier in the season. If he misses a couple of shots, he doesn't shake it off, or have a short term memory like most great shooters do. He resorts to passing up open shots rather than shooting with no conscience, instead, he lets his conscience eat him up and then disappears. It really hurts the team when he passes up open shots to dribble the ball. It completely breaks the offense. Combine that with his poor shooting mechanics and that is the Bonner you get in the playoffs.
You can't make any of the shots if you don't have the confidence to take it and make it. The ball doesn't have a chance to go in if you don't give it one. Bonner's mindset seems to change, and even those rare open shots he gets in the playoffs, he seems to miss them too.
You've also got the defensive aspect, good teams will game plan and make sure that he doesn't get wide open shots in the playoffs. That seems to fluster him, and at times, he has no idea what to do when he doesn't have a few seconds to wind up and get a good shot off.
Last edited by Ice009; 01-20-2013 at 02:15 PM.
Agreed. If you ever have the pleasure of seeing the Spurs live, watch Bonner in the pre-game warmups. The dude simply does not miss. He is undoubtedly one of the best, if not the best, shooter on the planet in a no pressure setting. It transmits quite well in games during the regular season where there is little pressure. But once the playoffs begin, his lack of confidence takes away from the one skill he has. We've seen it year in and year out.
Sean kept talking about how bad the spurs offense was in the second half
and it was because parker didnt even try to get the teams in their sets
too much dribbling and chucking off bad shots
i was watching him missing 3 point shooter after 3 point shooter
if we didnt win the game he probably gets a C-ish
rofl
Don't puff your chest out at me you stupid . You are a troll that uses a few numbers to try to justify something that anyone with a pair of ing eyes can see is bull . He becomes even more useless now that the league has gone to smaller, faster lineups. ...even z0sa, who spent years as a Bonner apologist finally admitted Bonner was useless in the playoffs.
So take your ass back to the barber and get that Bonner face fade touched up and go home and fondle your balls while looking at it in the mirror. That's a much more productive use of your time than coming here with a few numbers arguments that support something we have all figured out was unjustifiable long ago.
Exactly, give Neal starting SG and he will do great, getting open shots all day... Green being on the court because of his D is mostly a myth, he can play some D when PGs bring the ball up the court but other than that his on the ball D is atrocious.
Last edited by Paranoid Pop; 01-20-2013 at 04:42 PM.
Regular season Matt Bonner, 8+ seasons, per 36 minutes:Haha, thanks, I wasn't even going to reply to those posts. You are absolutely correct. Most of the numbers were even per game, and not per minute.
Although I didn't quote it, the rest of your post was good too.
3FG%: 41.8%
PPG: 12.9
RPG: 6.7
Playoff Matt Bonner, 6 seasons, per 36 minutes:
3FG%: 32.9% (-8.9%; 21% worse than regular season)
PPG: 8.8 (-4.1 PPG; 32% worse than regular season)
RPG: 5.9 (-0.8 RPG; 12% worse than regular season)
There you go. Now what?
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