Clippers: Parker > cpFlop

[look_at_g_shred]

Tp on another level this year. Watch out!

[D-Wade]

Overreaction as usual. While I will admit the Spurs play better defense than last year and their young players Green + Kahwai are a year older... I won't be convinced until I see them in the playoffs.

The ball was moving great but they were also on fire yesterday against the Clips. Happened in a game last season at Miami. Everything went in. Barkley said the Spurs have no weaknesses last year and is quick to praise them again this year.

But when a team plays them physical and stifles their execution, let's see what happens.

[Sean Cagney]

His career average against the Lakers in the playoffs is 16 points on 41 percent shooting. And yeah, he did beast against LA in '04. The first two games. Then Phil packed the paint, taking away his driving lanes, and he himself.

Parker has not been historically good against the Lakers. He's had a few good games, but never managed a dominant, or even very good, performance for an entire series.

If those stats are correct I can see your point when the packed the lane! When they tried to cover him though with FISHER he would go off lol, but yes after 03 and after 04 first two games they would pack the lane to stop him. I remember some regular season games he got them too, but that was always because Fisher and otherwise they never had a good PG on D at all. They have a bad D PG now as well and NO PHIL to strategize like that in a series so I would worry a little less. Parker historically has ROASTED NASH! Go look at the series they had, he lit him up! So what does this Spurs now have to do with 04? No Shaq, NO PHIL and Nash out there on D.

[sook]

parker has been on a tear lately. I would take CP3 over him and think CP3 is the better player, but parker this season > CP3

[Brazil]

Of course it is. Parker won't beat Miami or OKC. They need Duncan and Manu to go off.

because you think that the spurs have a chance if Parker don't go off against OKC and the Heat ?

[TDMVPDPOY]

because you think that the spurs have a chance if Parker don't go off against OKC and the Heat ?

so how come he didnt?

[Brazil]

so how come he didnt?

because he sabotaged the team

[Darth_Pelican]

The only way to fairly compare CP3 and TP is to put each one in the other's shoes. TP has had the luxury of playing with 2 HOF's and much deeper teams, whereas the best players that CP3 has played with in his entire career was David West, a young underdeveloped Tyson Chandler, and now a couple of stunt men in LA. In 2007, CP3 took a team with Morris Peterson and a 50 year old Peja in the starting lineup and no bench at all to a game 7 against a much more talented Spurs team. If Tony Parker were on the Hornets that year and CP3 were on the Spurs, do you think that series would have even been close? CP3 also took a team full of scrubs to a game 6 against a Lakers team that consisted of Kobe, Pau, and Bynum. Would TP have done the same? How many championships would the Spurs have if they had CP3 in place of TP, and how many would TP have if he were with the Pelicans and Clippers instead of the Spurs? How good would CP3's numbers be if he had HOF talent in the starting lineup with him for his entire career, and how would TP do if he had to play with scrubs his entire career and the defense got to focus on just him every night?

[TDMVPDPOY]

The only way to fairly compare CP3 and TP is to put each one in the other's shoes. TP has had the luxury of playing with 2 HOF's and much deeper teams, whereas the best players that CP3 has played with in his entire career was David West, a young underdeveloped Tyson Chandler, and now a couple of stunt men in LA. In 2007, CP3 took a team with Morris Peterson and a 50 year old Peja in the starting lineup and no bench at all to a game 7 against a much more talented Spurs team. If Tony Parker were on the Hornets that year and CP3 were on the Spurs, do you think that series would have even been close? CP3 also took a team full of scrubs to a game 6 against a Lakers team that consisted of Kobe, Pau, and Bynum. Would TP have done the same? How many championships would the Spurs have if they had CP3 in place of TP, and how many would TP have if he were with the Pelicans and Clippers instead of the Spurs? How good would CP3's numbers be if he had HOF talent in the starting lineup with him for his entire career, and how would TP do if he had to play with scrubs his entire career and the defense got to focus on just him every night?

the only HOF on the spurs is duncan, ginoboli is just another enigma that has costs the spurs so many times that its questionable he can be replaced....

[Killakobe81]

The only way to fairly compare CP3 and TP is to put each one in the other's shoes. TP has had the luxury of playing with 2 HOF's and much deeper teams, whereas the best players that CP3 has played with in his entire career was David West, a young underdeveloped Tyson Chandler, and now a couple of stunt men in LA. In 2007, CP3 took a team with Morris Peterson and a 50 year old Peja in the starting lineup and no bench at all to a game 7 against a much more talented Spurs team. If Tony Parker were on the Hornets that year and CP3 were on the Spurs, do you think that series would have even been close? CP3 also took a team full of scrubs to a game 6 against a Lakers team that consisted of Kobe, Pau, and Bynum. Would TP have done the same? How many championships would the Spurs have if they had CP3 in place of TP, and how many would TP have if he were with the Pelicans and Clippers instead of the Spurs? How good would CP3's numbers be if he had HOF talent in the starting lineup with him for his entire career, and how would TP do if he had to play with scrubs his entire career and the defense got to focus on just him every night?

Fair points, but early on all we heard is was the Clips were the deepest team in the NBA. And Blake had improved etc. So now the Spurs are the better team? Chauncey and Grant are now healthy (but old) both are fringe bordeline HOF candidates. I would argue both are No ...but a Finals MVP makes a strong argument plus he had a a MVP caliber year the next. Grant was the poor man's Lebron pre-injury ... and with his college resume I think he may get in ... both of PArker's HOF team-mates are past their primes ...

[Slutter McGee]

Yall do realize that a little homerism is ok. Parker is the best point guard in the league.

ter McGee

[TDMVPDPOY]

Fair points, but early on all we heard is was the Clips were the deepest team in the NBA. And Blake had improved etc. So now the Spurs are the better team? Chauncey and Grant are now healthy (but old) both are fringe bordeline HOF candidates. I would argue both are No ...but a Finals MVP makes a strong argument plus he had a a MVP caliber year the next. Grant was the poor man's Lebron pre-injury ... and with his college resume I think he may get in ... both of PArker's HOF team-mates are past their primes ...

spurs chimp roster, if they were that good a few of them wouldve been t raded...just 1 dimensional players who fit into the system and knowing their roles, the system makes them look better than they actually are....

clippers roster is all talent top to bottom, but they have no system in place and rely so much on iso plays....if those guys were open for trades, ppl would be calling for them....

[benefactor]

The Spurs go as far as Duncan and Manu take them. Not Parker.

If we are talking championship contenders, I would place equal importance on all three.

[whitemamba]

Bump tbh.

[TDMVPDPOY]

you know whats interesting even if this clown wins another ring

ppl will still have cp3 up on the all time PG lists top10 ahead of him with nothing to show for it

[whitemamba]

you know whats interesting even if this clown wins another ring

ppl will still have cp3 up on the all time PG lists top10 ahead of him with nothing to show for it

As much as i dislike parker, i was campaigning for him as the best PG in the league.. def in front of cp