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hey Bruno what about Tyreke Evans?
We really need someone who can create there own shot someone who can dribble and finish at the rim and someone who has a mid range game. All we have are spot up shooters and I was hoping Pop would let Kawhi have more freedom but he is keeping him in the Bruce Bowen mold..
If you look at it right now the only healthy player who can break his man down is Tony. With Manu being out we don't have a bench player that has instant offense other then spot up shooting.
hey Bruno what about Tyreke Evans?
In the next couple of years, Spurs primary perimeter players will be Parker and Leonard. If Spurs wants to spend a lot of money on a perimeter player, this player must fit well with these two players. Parker and Leonard aren't natural shooter and have a range that is limited to a corner 3. The player I would pair with them will need to be a very good 3 point shooter and Evans isn't that guy. A Parker/Evans/Leonard lineup just won't create enough spacing to be efficient offensively.
This is my pick if they don't sign a big with the money. I frankly don't think the front man rotation is terrible. Not sure what to expect from Baynes, but Diaw has been serviceable and TD/Splitt has been awesome this year.
. I've become increasingly concerned about Manus health, and do think a 6th man caliber wing makes sense going into the future. Evens needs to rehab his career, plus I think he can play at either the 2 or 3 given his athleticism.
I don't mind Evans for the bench during the post-Ginobili era. So long as Green is on the Spurs, he should be a good enough fit in the starting lineup to give Parker and Leonard enough spacing. If anything, the Duncan-Splitter combination is what would hurt the spacing going forward.
It really depends on what the Spurs decide to do with their bench. If De Colo or Joseph can shoot threes at a high-enough rate, and the front office brings in a backup three who can shoot well, then Evans is in a decent position to succeed with the reserves. If the Spurs fail to bring in a premiere big man, then it may make sense to get a good stretch four to either pair with Duncan in the starting lineup or with Splitter on the bench. Then playing Ginobili or Evans at the three could be a good idea.
Quick mock off-season:
--Trade Bonner and first-rounders for the next two seasons (after draft night when Bonner agrees to extend his deadline and trading 2013 and 2014 "picks" is possible) for Derrick Williams
--Re-sign Ginobili immediately
--Sign Evans for something around the MLE
--Re-sign Splitter
--Pick up the best depth player possible with the room exception
That should put the lineup as such:
Parker, Green, Leonard, Williams, Duncan
De Colo/Joseph, Evans, Ginobili, Diaw, Splitter
Joseph/De Colo, Mills (if he doesn't opt out) depth player, Baynes
Derrick Williams would be a huge stretch.
Stretch-four? Yeah, I think so. It's a much better position for him than small-forward.
But in all seriousness, it may not happen, but it's not the most unrealistic scenario out there. The Wolves just don't seem to like him, and he's taking up $5 Million next season. For a team desperate for cap space, they may be willing to let him go. They ended up giving way other high-lottery picks for far less.
Shoot, tons of upside, good length and coachable not to mention only 21, the youth movement is a much needed movement in SAStretch-four? Yeah, I think so. It's a much better position for him than small-forward.
But in all seriousness, it may not happen, but it's not the most unrealistic scenario out there. The Wolves just don't seem to like him, and he's taking up $5 Million next season. For a team desperate for cap space, they may be willing to let him go. They ended up giving way other high-lottery picks for far less.
Young players with star potential are sorely needed in San Antonio. To think what a fully actualize Leonard/Williams duo could do.
I'm still of the mindset that Cory Joseph is going to continue to evolve too, 1,2,3 punchYoung players with star potential are sorely needed in San Antonio. To think what a fully actualize Leonard/Williams duo could do.
Chinook---Evans will only be 24 next year plus he's restricted. He's getting a big contract this summer.
I can definitely see some bad team like Atlanta or Phoenix (both will have a lot of cap space) giving him
a huge contract the Kings will hesitate to match. Hawks and Suns have no shot to sign one of the big
free agents, they'll panic and give Evans something easily over $10 mil per season type of deal.
As for Williams, he's had a strong second half of season, it'll take more than Bonner/picks probably.
Plus with Pekovic being a free agent, they might just hold on to him.
You're right, they need young players with star potential. Williams and Evans would be nice targets.
They have the cap space to give Evans or some PF/C a big contract and the players (Green, De Colo,
Joseph, Diaw) for a sign and trade. The Bonner contract would be valuable for a team with luxury tax
issues- maybe a team like Denver (Chandler would be nice).
It's possible that Evans gets a big deal, but he's not good enough to get into a bidding war over. I wouldn't be interested in Evans for anything more than $24M/4, which is about max the Spurs could off the under my proposed scenario. I don't think the kinds are very keen on retaining Evans. If they are, then there's no way I try to give Evans a deal too big for them to match.
Also, Atlanta's a good team. They'll have a fine free agency.
Possible. But it's also possible that they Wolves try to move Williams to free up more money to re-sign Pekovic. He's restricted, so they'll probably match any offer. When love comes back, Williams is a bench player again. Adelman seems to like Cunningham in that role, so it wouldn't surprise me to see Williams lose most of his playing time again next season.As for Williams, he's had a strong second half of season, it'll take more than Bonner/picks probably.
Plus with Pekovic being a free agent, they might just hold on to him.
I used to like the idea of getting Chandler, but his contract is way too big for Leonard's backup.
So what the heck are the Spurs going to do with this guy this offseason? I feel if they are serious about Cory and Nando they need to let this guy go. Any chance he can be moved in a trade day deal? Someone else can decide whether to pay him or not. Do they extend the QO and, assuming another team doesnt pay more, just keep him one more year?
Its a shame Mills hasnt played that well during his stint in SA. It would make the decision a lot easier. Btw I assume that once Mills (and Diaws) player options are exercised that they can be traded, right?
I think they have to let him go. Too much of a liability on defense. CoJo and Nando make him superfluous at the 1 and 2. Just no fit for him anymore. He'll make bank elsewhere.
In the end I believe you're right, but damn he puts up numbers in a hurry. No one else on the team has that instant offense quality to them. I think the Spurs thought Mills could be that, but he's underwhelmed. I'm still hoping we can flip him and the 28th for a better pick.
When is the last day to make the Qualifying Offer?
I think right before free agency starts. It's only for less than a million dollars when you factor in the roster charge. If Neal doesn't sign the QO immediately, the Spurs have time to withdraw if they need the space to sign someone. No matter what happens, tendering Neal at the beginning of the off-season seems like a no-brainer.
Yes...QO has to be done before free agency, so the player becomes a RFA.
So, June 30 is the deadline for QO. (I google it)
The Draft is June 27, so the Spurs need to make the QO before that...
Assuming Neal accepts the QO, when is the deadline for other team offers? Before the Draft?
How does this work? I assume you cant trade a player 3 days before he accepts the QO?
Last edited by Captivus; 05-05-2013 at 10:00 PM.
Here is who we have under contract for next season along with Blair and Neal, who I think are not on the team next season. With the assumption that we re-sign Manu and Splitter, we have 12 spots filled. If we keep our first round pick (and it is not a stash), that is 13 slots filled. If we bring Bertans over so he can start the acclimation process to our system (a 2 year process no doubt), that is 14 slots filled. I think even with Bertans we will need to rent a veteran SF for a year or two who can smooth over the transition (because I don't think Bertans will be ready next year). I also believe that Bertans will spend a considerable amount of time in Austin, similar to CoJo. That makes 15 slots.
* Data courtesy of Sham's.
Player 2013/2014 2014/2015 Manu Ginobili TBD TBD Tony Parker $12,500,000 $12,500,000 Tim Duncan $10,361,446 $10,000,000 Boris Diaw $4,702,500 N/A Tiago Splitter TBD TBD Matt Bonner $3,945,000 N/A Danny Green $3,762,500 $4,025,000 Kawhi Leonard $1,887,840 $2,894,059 Nando De Colo $1,463,000 $1,901,900 Patrick Mills $1,133,950 N/A Cory Joseph $1,120,920 $2,023,261 DeJuan Blair Gone Gone Gary Neal Gone Gone Aron Baynes $788,872 $1,115,243
The NBA draft is June 27th. So by the 28th the team will know if they need a slot for their draft pick (if it was traded or not). If we don't keep our first round pick, then that would open up the opportunity to make a QO to Neal.
Qualifying offers are tendered by June 30th. So there is a gap between the draft and when QO go out and when FA can sign. Negotiations with FA can begin July 1st, but can not sign until July 8th.
My info for the QO and FA signing dates is courtesy of the NBA website: http://www.nba.com/knicks/freeagency/faqs.html
So it'll be a wait and see what happens with the draft. If we draft a SG, like I think we will, then that will pretty much shut the door on Neal.
The Spurs can't trade Neal during the draft no matter what. A QO isn't a contract; it's just a tender unless/until Neal signs it. He's not going to do that, and so he's pretty much a cap hold for the first couple of weeks.
Also, teams can't sign him to an offer sheet until July. He's not a free agent until then.
Good stuff. The Spurs' roster jam makes signing Neal not as clear cut, although they might be able to go over 15 players because they can have 20 in for training camp. That would give them time to sort everything out.
I don't think the Spurs will draft a two-guard unless that player is essentially a Neal clone AND Mills is likely to opt out along with Neal not being retained. I don't see any way the Spurs guarantee contracts to four points, three two-guards and three small-forwards next season. I'd rather see them add a project big with their pick, anyway, although I haven't really started looking at draft boards yet.
If he helps us win it all this year then I say we bring him back. If not then I won't miss him, as we need more then one dimensional players down the line. I know there will probably be a couple of games or so that we will lose next year that we had a cold shooting, and people will be saying that we would of won the game if Neal was on the team.
Mills opting out wouldn't be a bad thing. I think we bring in a project big if he does. We are overfilled at PG given that Manu is an unspoken backup as well.
If Mills doesn't opt out, I'd look to trade him to some team that needs a backup PG for a future top 55 protected pick. Doesn't make sense to keep with Parker, Nando, Cojo here already and those 2 presumably ahead of Mills in the pecking order. He should get work, but he'd probably only get minimum deal and might like the certainty of having the contract, and a trade would give him a chance to play more than spot minutes.
Exactly, and that is the kind of thing that makes this FO such a great place for players to land. They look out for their players, even when their time with the team is up. Trading him would be a win for Mills in that he'd likely get more playing time than he would on this team. We wouldn't really get anything with a top 55 protected pick, but that wouldn't be the point. Opening up the roster spot is what we need while taking care of a player who's done what we've asked in this system (to the best he can).
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