Who here misses Richard Jefferson?

[Mel_13]

Exactly, i don't i agree with that. The move to start Leonard was independent of RJ vs SJ, he just needed a year that's all. I really doubt that he would have trouble dislodging RJ from the starting spot. Or that pop would have continued to start RJ after Leonard had a year in the system.

He moved into the starting on a permanent basis in the first game after the trade. That's a simple fact.

[Kidd K]

And last year he shot 53% from 2 and 60% from 3 during the playoffs. I don't think *any* other Spur shot that well, including the big 3.



Yet we're again a 50+ wins team, #1 in the West without the extra meaningless regular season 100 pts.

What people like you skip over is the fact that Pop wouldn't start Kawhi to try not to hurt RJ's feelings. That was automatically solved when Jack came in and embraced the bench role.

Jack is a major part of Kawhi seeing his role evolved this season.

So you're saying Jackson doesn't even try until the playoffs? Rather than the more than likely scenerio: he just got lucky from three during the playoffs. I'm not going to sit here and "hope" that Jackson suddenly plays twice as good as he has all season just because the playoffs hit. He isn't going to shoot 60% from three again. He's not even shooting 30% now. 36.8% from field, 27% from three., as many turnovers as assists, etc.

As for the last part, the Spurs 50+ wins this year have little to do with Jackson's production. We were getting 50 wins with RJ despite all the extra injuries we had, which is the real reason we were low 50s, not RJ. What people like you (RJ haters/Jackson defenders) seem to skip over, is that RJ doesn't force Pop to play him. That's Pop's choice.

I agree that Jack's a major part of seeing Kawhi's role evolve though. . .because Jack's been so terrible, there's barely any decision that needs to be made for who should be getting most of the minutes.

[cjw]

Spurs wouldn't have made it to the WCF with Jefferson on the roster, tbh.

Overreact much? 8-0 doesn't turn into a loss in either of those series with RJ in place of Jax. It's not like Utah / LAC had a wing that was tough to guard. Where Jax did save us was in valuable minutes against Durant and his Game 6 threes.

[ElNono]

So you're saying Jackson doesn't even try until the playoffs? Rather than the more than likely scenerio: he just got lucky from three during the playoffs. I'm not going to sit here and "hope" that Jackson suddenly plays twice as good as he has all season just because the playoffs hit. He isn't going to shoot 60% from three again. He's not even shooting 30% now. 36.8% from field, 27% from three., as many turnovers as assists, etc.

I don't know about that. Jackson certainly isn't the only NBA player that coasted in the regular season, especially veterans. The "pulling a Horry" phrase didn't come out of thin air.

He also battled with a broken finger for most of the season. The least I'm going to do seeing last season's numbers is give him the benefit of the doubt.

As for the last part, the Spurs 50+ wins this year have little to do with Jackson's production. We were getting 50 wins with RJ despite all the extra injuries we had, which is the real reason we were low 50s, not RJ. What people like you (RJ haters/Jackson defenders) seem to skip over, is that RJ doesn't force Pop to play him. That's Pop's choice.

I completely agree that RJ was not the reason we had 50 wins... and frankly if getting rid of him and moving Kawhi up the ladder meant we had to win only 48 games this season, so be it.

As far as the issue of Pop decisions and RJ's feelings is concerned, they're simply a single intertwined issue. Pop wouldn't demote RJ because RJ had a frail ego full of excuses, and he needed him at least in a backup role.

Let me know the next time Jack starts saying stuff like this:

"Anybody who watches the game with an intelligent eye can see I was doing a lot of things I had never done over the course of my career,"� he says. "I’ve never guarded guys like LaMarcus Aldridge. I’ve never been a swing guy. I’ve never taken the ball out of bounds."
"Keith Bogans was brought in here to play defense and hit corner threes. (Antonio) McDyess was brought in here to rebound and hit pick-and-pop jumpers. You can’t really say that my role on this team is the same role you’ve seen me do the last eight years and be successful."�

[Spurs da champs]

Overreact much? 8-0 doesn't turn into a loss in either of those series with RJ in place of Jax. It's not like Utah / LAC had a wing that was tough to guard. Where Jax did save us was in valuable minutes against Durant and his Game 6 threes.

I know cuz the Spurs won game 6! Jack has been nothing short of used toilet paper this season & his lack of minutes because of it & the emergence of Kawhi makes me wonder how many minutes he will get come playoff time.

[Embedded]

It's been said that the reason the 8th-seed Warriors beat the snot out of the 1st-seed Dull-ass Mavericks and ousted them from the playoffs in 2007 was because Dirk Nowitzki was scared of Stephen Jackson. I don't think anybody is afraid of Richard Jefferson.

[Spurs da champs]

It's been said that the reason the 8th-seed Warriors beat the snot out of the 1st-seed Dull-ass Mavericks and ousted them from the playoffs in 2007 was because Dirk Nowitzki was scared of Stephen Jackson. I don't think anybody is afraid of Richard Jefferson.

6 years ago??? Smh.

[timtonymanu]

Overreact much? 8-0 doesn't turn into a loss in either of those series with RJ in place of Jax. It's not like Utah / LAC had a wing that was tough to guard. Where Jax did save us was in valuable minutes against Durant and his Game 6 threes.

Not an overreaction.

I don't think the Spurs finish the 1st seed with RJ last year. So they had to go through DAL/LAL which was much tougher than UTA/LAC.

It's possible the Spurs get through DAL/LAL last year with RJ, but it wouldn't have been as easy compared to what really occurred.

[therealtruth]

Exactly, i don't i agree with that. The move to start Leonard was independent of RJ vs SJ, he just needed a year that's all. I really doubt that he would have trouble dislodging RJ from the starting spot. Or that pop would have continued to start RJ after Leonard had a year in the system.

So why did Pop continue to start Finley after he was done? Even his last year here he started a game at power forward. Pop sometimes has misguided loyalty to veterans. Same thing with McDyess.

[therealtruth]

It's been said that the reason the 8th-seed Warriors beat the snot out of the 1st-seed Dull-ass Mavericks and ousted them from the playoffs in 2007 was because Dirk Nowitzki was scared of Stephen Jackson. I don't think anybody is afraid of Richard Jefferson.

The reason is the Mavs didn't play to their strengths and tried adjusting to GS's game.

[szkorhetz]

I don't know about that. Jackson certainly isn't the only NBA player that coasted in the regular season, especially veterans. The "pulling a Horry" phrase didn't come out of thin air.

He also battled with a broken finger for most of the season. The least I'm going to do seeing last season's numbers is give him the benefit of the doubt.



I completely agree that RJ was not the reason we had 50 wins... and frankly if getting rid of him and moving Kawhi up the ladder meant we had to win only 48 games this season, so be it.

As far as the issue of Pop decisions and RJ's feelings is concerned, they're simply a single intertwined issue. Pop wouldn't demote RJ because RJ had a frail ego full of excuses, and he needed him at least in a backup role.

Let me know the next time Jack starts saying stuff like this:

"Anybody who watches the game with an intelligent eye can see I was doing a lot of things I had never done over the course of my career,"� he says. "I’ve never guarded guys like LaMarcus Aldridge. I’ve never been a swing guy. I’ve never taken the ball out of bounds."
"Keith Bogans was brought in here to play defense and hit corner threes. (Antonio) McDyess was brought in here to rebound and hit pick-and-pop jumpers. You can’t really say that my role on this team is the same role you’ve seen me do the last eight years and be successful."�

Actually, I believe that RJ could still compete. He was brought here and was asked to do REALLY different things that what he has ever done. With a good PG he could still put up great numbers in a good environment. Just imagine him playing for the Clippers, OKC, Denver or even Houston. Of course he is not a a 10M/year player, but he could still be useful.

[ElNono]

Actually, I believe that RJ could still compete. He was brought here and was asked to do REALLY different things that what he has ever done. With a good PG he could still put up great numbers in a good environment. Just imagine him playing for the Clippers, OKC, Denver or even Houston. Of course he is not a a 10M/year player, but he could still be useful.

Not sold on that. He's currently playing for a playoff team, and he can barely break 10mpg... either he's severely underused, or he really doesn't have much left in the tank.

[Kidd K]

I don't know about that. Jackson certainly isn't the only NBA player that coasted in the regular season, especially veterans. The "pulling a Horry" phrase didn't come out of thin air.

He also battled with a broken finger for most of the season. The least I'm going to do seeing last season's numbers is give him the benefit of the doubt.



I completely agree that RJ was not the reason we had 50 wins... and frankly if getting rid of him and moving Kawhi up the ladder meant we had to win only 48 games this season, so be it.

As far as the issue of Pop decisions and RJ's feelings is concerned, they're simply a single intertwined issue. Pop wouldn't demote RJ because RJ had a frail ego full of excuses, and he needed him at least in a backup role.

Let me know the next time Jack starts saying stuff like this:

"Anybody who watches the game with an intelligent eye can see I was doing a lot of things I had never done over the course of my career,"� he says. "I’ve never guarded guys like LaMarcus Aldridge. I’ve never been a swing guy. I’ve never taken the ball out of bounds."
"Keith Bogans was brought in here to play defense and hit corner threes. (Antonio) McDyess was brought in here to rebound and hit pick-and-pop jumpers. You can’t really say that my role on this team is the same role you’ve seen me do the last eight years and be successful."�

You can't really go on the last season, since 2 seasons ago (2011) Jackson was still actually good, yet really dropped off last year (2012), and has dropped off even more this year. I don't know why the dude is rapidly declining, but it's clearly happening for whatever reason. I'm not going to assume that he's suddenly going to be a lot better in the postseason when he hasn't shown it this year at all. He's played in about 50 games this year and really only had a few halfway decent games.

I was saying us only winning 50, 52, etc after signing RJ wasn't because of RJ dragging the team down. I was saying we only barely scratched 50 and didn't really compete for les because of injuries (Tony, Manu, etc). I wasn't referring to the strike shortened season and us getting 50 that year out of 66 games. 48 wins instead of 50 last year wouldn't have mattered.

Pop's choices are his own. It's the coach's job to put the best people in the right spots, and deal with egos. RJ isn't some huge lockeroom personality that's preventing Pop from doing his job. He's just another dude. Outspoken, yes, but not some dude who's going to throw the lockeroom in disarray if he is told to come off the bench.