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    Woulda, couilda, shoulda...no results, just projections...but yet here we are with Obama...
    It should have never taken so long.

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    are you talking about auto????
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    LOL... Acting like Chump... Be specific...

    Like they always do. Talk about more regulations and taxes.
    so the market took the most historic nose dive since the great depression because Democrats talked about more regulations and taxes?

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    It should have never taken so long.
    Or, it could have taken longer.....cup is half full

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    The ^DJI was sitting at about 11K when the Y2K bubble popped, and dropped to about 8K with 911 helping. It then increased to the 14K level in 2007, which took a quick dive from all the liberal fear mongering as they made aggressive statements against business. My point is that we should have ever dropped to below 7K. I'll bet if the democrats didn't take congress in 2006, we wouldn't have dropped below 12k, and would be sitting at higher than 16k now.
    so whether or not you'll admit it, you're saying Democrats taking congress in 2006 is what caused the housing bubble burst and the global financial crisis.

    It also doesn't make sense that the market would have continued to go up in 2007 if Democrats taking control of congress in 2006 was such a scary prospect that doomed the economy.

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    so whether or not you'll admit it, you're saying Democrats taking congress in 2006 is what caused the housing bubble burst and the global financial crisis.
    Presumptuous, are you...

    Why do you think the housing bubble had any significant effect on the Dow? Were these large corporations that the Dow indicator is based off on investing in real estate? If so, that's new to me.

    You are also a forgetful . Republicans were warning about the housing bubble in 2003 or earlier. Kept getting slapped down by the democrats and their friends in the media.
    It also doesn't make sense that the market would have continued to go up in 2007 if Democrats taking control of congress in 2006 was such a scary prospect that doomed the economy.
    Do you know what momentum is? Elected in 2006, took office in 2007, and it takes time for any legislation to get passed and signed. Then there was the bailout. What a killer of stocks.

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    Presumptuous, are you...

    Why do you think the housing bubble had any significant effect on the Dow? Were these large corporations that the Dow indicator is based off on investing in real estate? If so, that's new to me.
    so large corporations weren't affected by the housing bubble and the global financial crisis?

    You are also a forgetful . Republicans were warning about the housing bubble in 2003 or earlier. Kept getting slapped down by the democrats and their friends in the media.
    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you aren't gonna provide specific examples of this either.

    Do you know what momentum is? Elected in 2006, took office in 2007, and it takes time for any legislation to get passed and signed. Then there was the bailout. What a killer of stocks.
    Now you're changing your theory because you originally said it was their mere talk that scared business, not their actual legislation.

    If it was legislation and not talk, what specific legislation caused it?

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    WC, you might want to stop before you dig in too deep. There is no verifiable cause/effect on stock market up/down vs. what political party controls the presidency or congress. Blaming the down on the Democrats is just as ignorant as Obama and the democrats blaming it all on Bush.

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    WC, you might want to stop before you dig in too deep. There is no verifiable cause/effect on stock market up/down vs. what political party controls the presidency or congress. Blaming the down on the Democrats is just as ignorant as them blaming it on Bush.
    True, but it's fun to watch the reactions.

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    True, but it's fun to watch the reactions.
    "I was deliberately saying re ed to get reactions!"

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    Now you're changing your theory because you originally said it was their mere talk that scared business, not their actual legislation.

    If it was legislation and not talk, what specific legislation caused it?
    I never said it was legislation. You effectively asked why the effect wasn't immediate. I pointed out that it takes time to get new legislation through. The democrats never stopped talking about taxing business more, and later it became apparent they wouldn't get such legislation passed.

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    "I was deliberately saying re ed to get reactions!"
    The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

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    I never said it was legislation. You effectively asked why the effect wasn't immediate. I pointed out that it takes time to get new legislation through. The democrats never stopped talking about taxing business more, and later it became apparent they wouldn't get such legislation passed.
    Sooooooooo then why did the markets crash if it became apparent they wouldn't get any legislation passed? You make no sense at all.

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    The truth lies somewhere in the middle.
    Not really.

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    Sooooooooo then why did the markets crash if it became apparent they wouldn't get any legislation passed? You make no sense at all.
    I'm sorry if you don't follow my explanation. It didn't take long at all, after the democrats took control of congress. Before the housing crisis, the Dow already took a 900+ hit, from 7/9/07 to 8/13/07. The bubble didn't hit till late August or early September. I will not say the housing bubble didn't have any effect on the ^DJI, but it was already getting ready to fall. The scare probably complicated things, and many people lost money to contribute into the economy, but this money was being flipped like houses and effectively not driving stock prices anyway, for some time.

    Really... Look at everything the democrats said they were going to do to evil business.

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    Really... Look at everything the democrats said they were going to do to evil business.
    But couldn't do because you just said it became apparent they couldn't get any legislation passed...

    You still haven't provided any specific example of what they said they would do.

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    "I was deliberately saying re ed to get reactions!"
    Thats ALMOST as re ed as people blaming the recession on Bush.

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    But couldn't do because you just said it became apparent they couldn't get any legislation passed...

    You still haven't provided any specific example of what they said they would do.
    Consider this.

    Do you prepare for a disaster you think is coming, or do you wait for it?

    If you have assets that you believe will be diminished by proposed changes, do you change the way you secure your assets before the changes, or do you let the changes destroy what you have?

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    You still haven't provided any specific example of what they said they would do.
    I don't have an eidetic memory. Do you? Are you going to say the liberals said nothing that caused fear in the markets? They said dozens of things. You can look the specifics up as easily as I, and if you are going to act as if none of it did occur, then you are in denial.

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    Thats ALMOST as re ed as people blaming the recession on Bush.

    What do you blame the recession on?

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    I don't have an eidetic memory. Do you? Are you going to say the liberals said nothing that caused fear in the markets? They said dozens of things. You can look the specifics up as easily as I, and if you are going to act as if none of it did occur, then you are in denial.
    I didn't make any claim either way. you did and can't back it up with real examples.

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    Thats ALMOST as re ed as people blaming the recession on Bush.
    dubya's WH was pe ioned by 19 states to shutdown predatory/sub-prime lending. dubya's politicized OCC denied the pe ion, to keep the destructive housing bubble going and the toxic ty loans rolling in.

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    What do you blame the recession on?
    We have booms and we have recessions. We have bubbles and we have bursting bubbles. happens.

    Trying to make a case for a cause/effect relationship with who is President is monumentally Boutonesque stupid.

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    We have booms and we have recessions. We have bubbles and we have bursting bubbles. happens.

    Trying to make a case for a cause/effect relationship with who is President is monumentally Boutonesque stupid.
    Trying to make a cause/effect relationship based off the president's mere political party is stupid, pointing to specific policy that's directly related to the crash isn't exactly stupid.

    It wasn't just Bush, it was 30 years of neo-liberal deregulation from Reagan, Clinton and Bush. Bush was the guy who took the neo-liberalism too far though.

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    We have booms and we have recessions. We have bubbles and we have bursting bubbles. happens.

    Trying to make a case for a cause/effect relationship with who is President is monumentally Boutonesque stupid.
    Repugs mismanaged the economy from 2001 to 2008, along with their general willful misgovernance.

    They could have recognized and mitigated the housing/credit bubble. They didn't and left Barry a mega-ton of stinking and the worst, continuing recession in 80 years.

    What's monumentally stupid is saying the Repugs (and VRWC policies) are completely innocent, blameless, and that capitalism's inherent, repeated, unpreventable economic instabilities are just innocent " happens"

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