Kori, come on. That might have something to do with the fact that Larry Brown respects the out of Ginobili and sees Parker as the dime-a-dozen point guard that he is. Easy to score when every team in the league gives you eight feet to shoot on every possession.
Parker has progressed minimally at best since 2003. I challenge someone to publish his playoff statistics from 2003 and compare them to this year's.
Maybe in game 3, but he wasnīt injured... and also commited 6 TO per game... Manu was horrible ... but nobody was "defending" Tony.. every Piston was focused on Manu and TD.... letting him to shot from where he wants. He made a couple of Js and not much assists... but their stats were really better than Manu (on the road) and TD too...
That doesn't excuse him for not running the team.Whatever. Pop sometimes wants Tony to be a scorer, not a distributor -- so they'll be games when he gets very few assists. Also, take note that in Game 7 of the Finals, only ONE basket was scored on Parker in the entire game. Look a little bit outside the stat sheet.
And I never said anything about his defense. I thought it was great all series.
Let me make myself clear: I'm not ting on Parker. I'm saying that his expectations (with a big contract, a World Championship, etc.) are much higher than your average point guard.
He needs to be extraordinary to live up to those expectations.
Why can't you accept that he had a mediocre series in the Finals?
I just don't get it. When Manu has bad games, then it's okay because he's "so tired" from playing so hard. And if you question anything about his game, then you are an "Argentinean hater". But if Parker has a bad game, then he should be traded or is a "dime a dozen" point guard.
Sure, I expect more out of Tony next season as far as jumpshooting and freethrows. But to say he hasn't got better since 2003 is just being a ing idiot. Parker's D, his consistency, and decision making have all improved and will continue to improve.
But you know what, I expect more out of Manu too. I expect if he's not playing international ball this offseason, then he should be able to hang for 35 minutes a game without having to take nights off on back to backs. I expect him to be more careful with the ball in late game situations.
And I expect more out of Tim Duncan .. and so on...
But the Parker hate is unbelievable and embarrassing.
Any kind of hate is embarrasing...
And no, I donīt want a trade for Paul Pierce... (the root of the thread) to me...Pierce is overrated...
Wait, wait, wait...I just don't get it. When Manu has bad games, then it's okay because he's "so tired" from playing so hard. And if you question anything about his game, then you are an "Argentinean hater". But if Parker has a bad game, then he should be traded or is a "dime a dozen" point guard.
Sure, I expect more out of Tony next season as far as jumpshooting and freethrows. But to say he hasn't got better since 2003 is just being a ing idiot. Parker's D, his consistency, and decision making have all improved and will continue to improve.
But you know what, I expect more out of Manu too. I expect if he's not playing international ball this offseason, then he should be able to hang for 35 minutes a game without having to take nights off on back to backs. I expect him to be more careful with the ball in late game situations.
And I expect more out of Tim Duncan .. and so on...
But the Parker hate is unbelievable and embarrassing.
I never excused Manu, either. In fact, there were time that he played worse than Parker ever did.
And I always hated the "tired" excuse. That's what you, Kori (check the roundtables), said was the problem with him. Pop thought the same. To me, it was crap, but what the do I know, I'm not in that situation.
Do you really expect that POP will use him 35+ min/game??
I don't see why not.Do you really expect that POP will use him 35+ min/game??
Not much above 35. But 34-35 mpg if Manu's body can take it, yes.Do you really expect that POP will use him 35+ min/game??
Just an opinion,
POP's methodic ... I don't see him changing his rotation minutes at least till Playoffs; Manu will continue playing 35 min/game.
Pierce will never be a Spur.
Go Kori! I'm glad to see that it wasn't all in my head. I have never witnessed such a young, growing player--who while not being a "super-star" just yet, is well above average--get hated so much by supposed fans of his team!
Me, too. All last season, I heard "Manu's becoming a leader." That he was talking more, and leading the team more; that he was "stepping up"; that he was speaking up in the locker room before games, at half-time, and on the court during time-outs. That he was leading. WHERE WAS THAT LEADERSHIP DURING THE FINALS???? That is the reason I disagreed with everyone when they said he should have been MVP or co-MVP. If he had shown one shred of that alleged "leadership" during the finals (the whole playoffs, really), I would have been the first to agree. But it was missing in action. Gone. That team desperately needed someone to help a (understandably) distracted Tim Duncan lead them during that desperate time, but where was Manu? That could have been his golden moment, his moment to shine, but where was Manu? NO LEADERSHIP. I love Manu as much as anyone, but I don't want to hear anymore of the "leadership" talk until I see him doing some "leading". MVPs are not just dynamite players, they are LEADERS. Show me, Manu.
Absolutely. Could not agree with you more.
I donīt know...
but it seems like Manu wasnīt doing anything in the Finals... If thatīs true... donīt care about how he plays when the Spurs win...
just blame him when they lose...
Manu just did his job... taking responsabilities when is needed, he made a lot of mistakes ok... I agree with all of you, but at least he tries, even when TD struggles in Game 5 crunch time... Oh! wait a minute, was a game on the road!!
Who was running the team in that pivotal game. Who was the PG in the hot minutes when nobody want to make mistakes?
Even he made the last assist... to a great Horry who emerged as a saviour this time...
But ... as you say he wasnīt a leader... I donīt know what a leader does for all of you?... Jump 7.5 foot and dunk stretching his arm over all the opposite team in the last minutes...?! (remember Space Jam?)
Or take 50 shots when the game is getting ugly?!
If he wasnīt the 2nd leader who was?!
If he didnīt take the ball in last minutes of game 7 , when the Spurs were losing by 9 points... who could did this?!
Tony...Barry... Bowen... Horry...
I donīt know what else Manu need to being recognized... if he didnīt do enough then trade him... bring another shooting guard... who brings enough leadership...
I like Parker... but is still a great project... for me at least... I wold choose him over any other point guard... but leader... not yet...
and if Manu wasnīt a leader then I've must been watching another Finals specially in the last game... or maybe I was completely
Parker has done everything that Pop has asked him to do. He was the second scorer on the team when Manu, either couldnt be, or was learning to be, in the offense. Now that Manu seems to have taken that role over, we should see a difference in Parker's game. This hate on a player thats only 23 is stupid.
Ludicrous! C'mon Parker-haters. While I admit his occasional fade is somewhat of a concern, the guy has continued his development in his game and is worlds away from where he was in 2003. Be patient.
Would you rather have Jason Kidd at the helm? .....just kidding, of course.
I don īt like Tony haters...
also I donīt like Manu haters...
If you are a real Spurs fan... you donīt hate them. Even you donīt choose one over another...
You just accept them... as they are...
So
Wait until Tony grow up as mature PG and superstar...
And enjoying watching Manu being crazy...
Last edited by FoxMulder; 07-12-2005 at 01:29 PM.
The point is the hardest position in basketball to play well. Anyone who doesn't have the court vision of Stockton or Kidd is going to get ripped, even if he's playing well within a system.
There've been times I've been pretty down on Parker, but then I remember that he's only 23 and that it takes the vast majority of point guards years to develop into first-rate floor generals. Parker is still well ahead of the curve, and he has a chance to be scary-good in a few more years.
"I'd swap Manu for Pierce. Pierce is a true star." - Member of the Church of Manu
Heretic!
"Actually, move Ginobili to the point (he'd actually be a like parker was, a scoring pg), and Beno and Barry back them up."
"He's the point guard of the World Champs, and that carries alot of responsibility with it."
Hypocrite!
"Kori, stats mean jack in an NBA Finals series.
Like I said before, I want 15 and 7, not 20 and 4."
The vision I have of Peirce in my minds-eye is one of him whining, complaining or upset at a call, shot or pass. You all know what I mean. I don't want some -ass whiner on this team! I wouldn't trade that scrub we just drafted for Paul Pierce. That's for real. (The more I think about it this whole idea seems rediculous)
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