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    The bill effectively eliminates overtime pay and puts the employee at the mercy of predatory employers who can withhold “flex time” indefinitely, including when they terminate the worker meaning they worked overtime for free.
    Lie.

    ‘(5) TERMINATION OF EMPLOYMENT- An employee who has accrued compensatory time off authorized to be provided under paragraph (1) shall, upon the voluntary or involuntary termination of employment, be paid for the unused compensatory time in accordance with paragraph (6).
    the reality is it puts employees at the mercy of employers who are fed up with paying overtime wages for workers who put in more than 8 hours a day and 40 hours a week at their jobs.
    Lie.

    Employers can only use comp time with employee consent.

    ‘(2) CONDITIONS- An employer may provide compensatory time to employees under paragraph (1)(A) only if such time is provided in accordance with--

    ‘(A) applicable provisions of a collective bargaining agreement between the employer and the labor organization that has been certified or recognized as the representative of the employees under applicable law; or

    ‘(B) in the case of employees who are not represented by a labor organization that has been certified or recognized as the representative of such employees under applicable law, an agreement arrived at between the employer and employee before the performance of the work and affirmed by a written or otherwise verifiable record maintained in accordance with section 11(c)--
    The law is also another Republican attempt to kill new jobs because without the incentives inherent in the FLSA overtime rule, employers have no reason to hire new employees to avoid paying overtime because if they have free rein to work employees 16 hours a day for minimum wage, they will not bring in new workers to save payroll expense on overtime pay; until they fire the employ to avoid giving them the time off they earned.
    Lie.
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    Go read the bill and see how many outright lies in that garbage of a story you posted you can find.
    Ah, the power of the moonbat RSS feed.

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    Employers can only use comp time with employee consent.
    ‘(i) in which the employer has offered and the employee has chosen to receive compensatory time in lieu of monetary overtime compensation; and

    ‘(ii) entered into knowingly and voluntarily by such employees and not as a condition of employment.
    Not sure how one would prove that the condition really wasn't "if you don't sign this, you're fired" or "if you don't sign this, you don't get overtime, and we will find someone who will sign it".

    Seems to me it would be very easy for employers to simply impose it de facto, leaving employees with little recourse.

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    Seems to me it would be very easy for employers to simply follow the applicable law.

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    "employers to simply follow the applicable law"

    when it suits their profits, else, the law can itself.

    ANY bill by the Repugs must always be suspect of being anti-poor, anti-99%, ie, there's something else, some loophole, in there.

    You righties keep spinning the letter of the bill, but it's the spirit of the employers that counts, due to the imbalance of power between employer and low-end employees.





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    lol simpleton.

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    TB got NUTHIN to say

    List all the great bills, amendment for the 99% the Repugs have proposed or passed in the last 15 years.

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    Did you get that from politicsusa?

    They've also, apparently, got nothing to say.

    Keep on keepin' on, no content bot.

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    Not sure how one would prove that the condition really wasn't "if you don't sign this, you're fired" or "if you don't sign this, you don't get overtime, and we will find someone who will sign it".

    Seems to me it would be very easy for employers to simply impose it de facto, leaving employees with little recourse.
    The employer would be breaking the law. Employees would have the same legal recourse as they would if an employer tried to force them into working for less than minimum wage.

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    "Employees would have the same legal recourse"

    yeah, right, low-end hourly employees desperate to hang to a ty paying job have the balls and funds to go hire a lawyer. For those employees, the employer-employee relationship is assumed to be adversarial, not collegial.



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    "Employees would have the same legal recourse"

    yeah, right, low-end hourly employees desperate to hang to a ty paying job have the balls and funds to go hire a lawyer. For those employees, the employer-employee relationship is assumed to be adversarial, not collegial.


    As many lawyers as we've got in this country, finding one willing to work on contingency for an opportunity to sue an employer for a blatant FLSA violation wouldn't be hard.

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    As many lawyers as we've got in this country, finding one willing to work on contingency for an opportunity to sue an employer for a blatant FLSA violation wouldn't be hard.
    give a try and let us know how it works.

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    lol affirming the consequent.

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    give a try and let us know how it works.
    There is a huge billboard on I-10 near crossroads right now with this guy trolling for overtime cases.

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    give a try and let us know how it works.


    Great idea. Now we just need to wait until my employer feels like breaking the law and screwing me over. Updates to be posted here. Check back regularly.

    Where, oh where could I ever possibly hope to find a lawyer willing to sue my employer?

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    Every once in a while it pays to actually follow a link and read a little.

    So, in summary:

    1. It's still time and a half
    2. Requires mutual agreement of employee and employer before the work takes place
    3. 160 hour cap
    4. Company and employee have to square up on unused comp time, in cash, every year

    I think those conditions pretty much remove any reason to have a problem with this bill.
    Company closes 1 day prior to when they have to pay all these employees for the unused comp time.

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    Generally, when a company closes, everybody loses.

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    I would love some of this, but I'm classified as a "professional"; therefore I don't get overtime for my crazy # of hours worked.

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