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ye man that pissed me off , in 2002 when we lost to 4-1 to the lakers their 3rd le
we had leads in all 4 losses, and i think 2 of them were around 10. That is
when kobe really made his name, cuz he single handedly beat us again and again.
typical sign of a fan who is not used to his team being in the playoffs
that means jack jmarkjohns
we had fourth quarter leads on the lakers in several games in 2002 and 2001....and we still got our asses kicked.....
ye man that pissed me off , in 2002 when we lost to 4-1 to the lakers their 3rd le
we had leads in all 4 losses, and i think 2 of them were around 10. That is
when kobe really made his name, cuz he single handedly beat us again and again.
Last edited by Banks91; 07-11-2005 at 02:13 PM.
they should really start handin out playoff mvps cuz kobe clearly deserved 2 of the 3mvps shaq got
shaq only takes over in the finals when he knows a trophy is on the line
yeah how many tip ins off of missed shaq free throws did he get?
how many of those were dunks?
we blew our leads just like the suns did
No, it's not. The Spurs won the games, i'm not taking anything away from them. But the did so IN the fourth quarters and in games 1 & 2, did so in the mid-to-late fourth quarters.
Please--But the Suns didn't have, then had an injured Johnson.--
But the Spurs had an injured Devin Brown? He was a huge factor to the Spurs success in the previous games against the Suns...That's like you losing Manu or Parker then the Suns being without Barbosa.
Partly. Richardson was in a funk since the Memphis series. Marion is due to Bowen, but with Jackson and Bell, two player who can shoot AND create their own shots (unlike Marion), the Suns might actually be a tougher offensive team. Bowen won't be able to guard them the same way he did Marion. Marion's skills allows for him to be taken out of games because his point come from open shots, transition and put-backs. He wasn't getting many of the first two and wasn't able to hit the boards for the latter.--barely got any production from Marion/Richardson--
Marion/Richardson barely got any production due to Bruce Bowen...who will still be there next season. For an all-star to average something like 7.8 ppg, after averaging something like 24 ppg in previous rounds is a considerable drop. That's all due to Spurs defense which will still be there next season.
Yeah, because adding two defensive player won't help with defensive needs.--4-1... yes, but the games were all close until the final minutes. a few defensive rebounds (where Thomas helps) or a few more misses (Bell) and the games are toss ups.--
The simple fact is, Suns let the Spurs shoot something like 72% in the 4th quarter for 3 of those games. That is a crazy stat. I highly doubt Kurt Thomas and Raja Bell are going to help you out that much in those aspects.
No, I didn't. And unless you're running a lineup of five wings, I doubt that the Suns will need to guard all five you named at the same time.You say put Raja Bell on Manu and JJ on Parker? That leaves Bruce Bowen, Brent Barry, and Robert Horry open from 3 pt land, who's going to be the defensive stoppers then for you?
Bell/Johnson on Manu. That's the main thing. What you are failing to grasp is that the Suns horrible defense held the Spurs to a lower FG% than the Suns shot (48% to 49%). Phoenix main problem was defensive rebounding, as they allowed 15 per game (compared to 11 for Phoenix). They have now added a top-5 defensive rebounder in Thomas without losing any of their main rebounders from last year.
True, but explain the lower FG% for San Antonio? As for the average defensive players/rebounders, Marion, Johnson and Bell are all very tough on the perimeter. They aren't in Bowen's league, but they provide wing depth for defense. Amare, Thomas and Marion can all average over 9 boards next year in this style. I'd hardly say that's average.The reason why the Spurs beat the Suns 4-1 is because Spurs can run one end of the floor and play TEAM DEFENSE at the other end. Suns have yet to grasp the latter idea. Having 2 somewhat average defensive players/rebounders on a team of 12....isn't going to help you that much against teams like the Spurs, Pistons, Pacers, and even the Heat.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Yeah, but you learned from it and have since won two les.
It means nothing unless you can learn from it.
I've been a Suns fan since 88. They've missed the playoffs twice since
Not every team has the luxery of two top-10 bigs within a decade. We had Barkley for about two years (healthy) and three years-plus total. Then we had McDyess for 6 months and now Amare.
Hardly something to combat Robinson/Duncan... So, enjoy.
tru that, spurs have been lucky that the only times they ended up having bad
seasons have resulted in robinson and duncan, but spurs managed to keep them
which is also important
I think you're putting the cart ahead of the horse. I understand why you should be optimistic about your team...you had one of the top 4 teams in the league last year. However, just because you make moves does not mean your team is better. I don't see how giving up Q and Nate Robinson for Kurt Thomas makes you better. The Suns' game is about speed, Robinson would have added to that and made it even tougher to keep up with you guys. Honestly, without some more moves that helps your team, I don't see the Suns better than they were last year. One of the biggest edges you had last year was the running game, but by trying to keep up with the Spurs you have made yourselves more vulnerable to other teams. If you lose Joe Johnson, I don't even think you win your division next year.
This is what Manu did in the one game Bell started against him:
Yes...you do see...Code:Date Opp Result Min FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST ST BL TO PF PTS Mar 06 vs. Jazz 101-94 W 35 7-11 3-4 14-15 0 8 8 7 1 0 3 4 31
31 points
8 rebounds
7 assists
15 trips to the Free Throw Line.
That was his best game against the Jazz in points, rebounds, assists, FG% and FTA...
Even if it is true that Manu doesn't like playing against Bell, that doesn't translate to him playing badly...in fact, unfortunately for the Suns, it translates to him playing even better.
My guess is that it's because Manu doesn't like guys that take cheapshots.
It probably is true that Manu doesn't like Bell...because Bell picked up a flagrant and a tech against him and should have been called for another flagrant, in that one start...
To me that just says Manu is going to be even more fired up than normal and Bell is going to pick up a lot of fast break killing fouls on Manu...
Good job Suns...can you say sweep?
Thanks for adding your perspective
Scoreboard.
Enough already.
I've answered all the questions and addressed all the issues you've posed in other posts. Obviously a lot depends on Johnson.
Am I missing something or is that a difference of only 1%? You are acting like the Suns outshot the Spurs by 7-10% or something. I am sorry to say, but Kurt Thomas isn't going to be such a big help to you on the defensive end and he's going to have a harder time grabbing those rebounds here in the West against Duncan and Nazr in the paint.
Parker, please go check Thomas' splits vs. the West and other top bigs for last year.
I doubt he struggles the way you hope he does.
I am not hoping for anything. I just don't see how well he'll fit in with the Suns run and gun style that's all. Plus, guarding Tim Duncan/Nazr/Rasho is going to be a tough assignment for him.
"Manu Ginobili, called him to protest"
If I've understood ANYTHING about Manu's character and personality, this would be totally out of character. The writer is a ing liar.
Last edited by boutons; 07-11-2005 at 04:04 PM.
Amare is the only player that makes me scared of the Suns. If he (and his coach and team) commit themselves to play defense from the first regular season game, the Suns will have just as good a le shot as anyone else.
Word. What a ing asshole this reporter is.
The only way the Suns can beat the Spurs is the way the Pistons did in 3 games in the Finals, with a big D and I mean a Real D...
I doubt it about the Suns because they arenīt deep enough even with Thomas and Bell...
Nash was out of fuel in last quarters every game(when the Suns struggles)... and nobody can do what he does... ask Amare...
Donīt care about who they sign... without Nash they can do much...
And even when I donīt like too much TParker I hope he can guard him much, much better this year...
If he did, it was on his Time Warner Digital Phone, don'tcha know!I doubt Manu would call up his agent and say something like that.
This so called writer is trying to create hope for the Suns, I mean, do you remember back in March, when the Suns were called an unstoppable force?
Then, reality check, they struggled against the Mavs and were very close of being swept by the Spurs. So desperate teams make desperate moves, while desperate writers make desperate articles, trying to build some confidence from the Suns fans to their team.
So with that in mind, he obviously wrote (or made up) the Manu paragraph. If Manu would have said that, the writer should have quoted him. But he didn't, to cover his ass in case Manu decides to sue him. But he won't. Word in the street is that he doesn't give a damn about classless writers, from teams that don't have a ring.
Well, the Jordan Bulls rode an awful lot of 4th quarter wins and even last-shot wins to their les. The more les you win, the less likely it is to be an accident. With 2 of the last 3, the Spurs arrow is sure pointing the right way on this one.
Raja Bell can create his own shots? I don't think I've been watching the same NBA you do.
The Suns must pray to RA or Apollo for a healthy Nash... and a good Defense
Anytime a "reporter" has the phrase "word on the street" in his "article", the reporter should be fired.
Excuse me... but Manu didnīt blame Tyshaun in the Finals and is whining now?!!
Now Manu will be the Flopper and the Whiner!?
Not the whiner... THE WINNER!!!!
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