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Does anyone think Kwame will work in the triangle?
heard espn said this was a done deal
Does anyone think Kwame will work in the triangle?
I think brown is underrated here
So do I. I'd also be kind of annoyed if the Lakers got him.
Stupid move for Lakers...
Jordon couldn't motivate him as if Kobe can.
How about Rasho for Butler? Does it work tradewise? Haven't checked it out yet on realgm but if it doesn't throw in something to make it work.
Spurs can use another quality sf.
We'd have to take some ballast back.
"How about Rasho for Butler?"
trade away a Big for a Small, and in our own Conference?
Butler with Kobe in the Team is unnecessary
http://www.realgm.com/src_goaltendin...n_kwame_brown/
From about January on during the 03-04 season, Kwame averaged something like 15 and 8. He had Arenas and Hughes on and off returning from injury and some of the other guys were doing some scoring (and a lot of shooting and missing). He played 74 games that season. In the 25 games where he got ten or more shots in a game, his averages were:
16.72 ppg, 9.16 rpg, on 53% shooting from the floor.
Think about that; averaging ten shots a game, he’s posting about 17 ppg and nearly 10 rpg while shooting more efficiently than Tim Duncan usually does. This is before he really developed a jumper as well and before the refs started to give him a little respect on his spin move and while banging with his back to the basket.
In the six games he got twelve or more shots, he averaged:
20.2 ppg, 11 rpg, on 52.8% shooting. No real drop in efficiency and he became a 20/11 player. Now obviously six games is a rather limited sample but from the way he was playing, it was clear that he had the potential to be a perennial All-Star if put in the right situation.
For one thing, he has post game; he’s got a couple of hooks, a drop step and a spin move, as well as the power to just push many of his defenders out of the way. Beyond that, he can face up from all over the floor, put the ball on the hardwood and blow by his opponents. As a center, in the style of what Phoenix did with Amare Stoudemire, Kwame would dominate if he was allowed to mix up his back-to-the-basket game with face-up isolations from the wing. With the jumper he’s been developing the last year or two, he suddenly becomes an even more versatile offensive threat, especially since he can be integrated more readily into a pick-and-roll offense. All that’s only as a scorer. You have to recall that Kwame is also a brilliant post passer. He’d flourish in Sacramento in the 1-4 high sets that Rick Adelman runs.
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So now onto the basketball side of things. Kwame shows up and he’s instantly a candidate for second or third option. Lamar Odom isn’t a shooter and he isn’t a dedicated post scorer, so he could easily gravitate to the third option under Jackson. It’s also likely that he’ll spend more time handling the ball though and if that is the case you can expect him to be content with fewer shots. Kwame is a true low post threat but, like Tim Duncan and similar to Amare Stoudemire, he’s got quite a face-up game as well, as I mentioned. His versatility on offense could help the Lakers quite a bit if they use him enough. He draws fouls pretty well, was drawing double-teams when he posted 11 and 7 in his third year and he’ll be hitting cutters and open shooters with passes all night long.
It looks like it could be a really good situation for Kwame, as long as he can hold up his end of the deal with some speed. If he can post 15 and 8 for the Lakers in his first year, which is quite possible, then he’ll probably take off from there and be just fine. If he can’t, then he’s going to prove all the people who are calling him a bust right and won’t ever be anything except a marginally more talented version of DeSagana Diop, a second- or third-string player.
Looks like the trade is going to happen.Lakers Agree to Get Brown
Team will give up Butler and either Atkins or George to acquire the former overall No. 1 pick from the Wizards.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basket...rts-nba-lakers
By Mike Bresnahan, Times Staff Writer
The Lakers have taken another bold step to remake their roster, agreeing in principle on a trade that would bring forward-center Kwame Brown from the Washington Wizards and would send Caron Butler and likely Chucky Atkins to Washington.
Brown, 6 feet 11, was drafted No. 1 overall in 2001 and fell on hard times last season with the Wizards, but he has the potential to be an impact post player.
Laker General Manager Mitch Kupchak and Wizard President Ernie Grunfeld declined to comment Wednesday, but sources said the components of the deal were in place involving Brown and Butler. The Wizards could choose small forward Devean George instead of Atkins to complete the deal.
NBA teams cannot announce free-agent signings or sign-and-trade transactions until a league moratorium is lifted July 22.
Brown, 23, received two guaranteed years with a third-year option held by the team. The Lakers will not be parting with the 2006 first-round pick they received from the Miami Heat in the Shaquille O'Neal trade last July.
In 2001, Brown became the first high school player taken with the top pick in the draft, but he has been erratic and enigmatic throughout his first four seasons.
Last season, he was suspended before Game 5 of the Wizards' first-round series against the Chicago Bulls and missed seven playoff games because he had groused as his playing time decreased, claiming a stomach illness and missing a practice.
Brown was also suspended for a game last December because he reportedly walked away from the huddle during a timeout as Wizard Coach Eddie Jordan questioned his failure on a defensive assignment.
In his first two seasons, Brown clashed with aging guard Michael Jordan and former Wizard coach Doug Collins.
Brown showed traces of improvement in his third season, averaging a career-best 10.9 points and 7.4 rebounds, but he broke his right foot during a pickup game last summer and started the 2004-05 season on the injured list.
Brown was out of shape most of last season, playing only 42 games and averaging seven points and 4.9 rebounds. He was booed at home numerous times.
Off the court, Brown has been troubled, getting arrested in 2002 for driving 120 mph and again in 2003 for driving under the influence.
The Wizards are interested in Butler in the wake of losing unrestricted free-agent guard Larry Hughes to the Cleveland Cavaliers. Butler, who played small forward and shooting guard last season, was one of the Lakers' most consistent players down the stretch, averaging 21.9 points over his last 15 games.
Butler, 25, was one of three players acquired from Miami in the O'Neal trade. If the Lakers waive Brian Grant to save $30 million in luxury taxes as part of a one-time amnesty provision under the new collective bargaining agreement, Lamar Odom would be the only Laker left from the O'Neal trade.
Atkins, 30, averaged a career-best 13.6 points last season for the Lakers but his lack of size made him a poor fit for a triangle offense that has historically worked better with taller guards under Phil Jackson.
With the addition of Brown, the Lakers would have under contract Kobe Bryant, Odom, Chris Mihm, Jumaine Jones, Brian Cook, Slava Medvedenko, Sasha Vujacic, Luke Walton, Andrew Bynum and Ronny Turiaf. Atkins or George would also be under contract.
Pretty much, he started 62 of the 68 games he played that year, and he averaged 38.5 mpg.
Last edited by ambchang; 07-14-2005 at 06:44 AM.
Jordan has never been known to be a good teammate, he is y and annoys the crap out of people. Not a lot of people get along with him (Magic is more or less the direct opposite). Billcartright straight out hated him, and most of the young kids did not like Jordan, but what were they supposed to do? The media was all over His Airness because of his basketball prowess.
As for Kobe, I don't know what he can do, but Butler and Odom both played way better without him than with him.
Hey guys. Congrats on the new ring.
Great deal for LA. Butler is a guy who only played well when Kobe or Odom was out. He's only the 3rd best wing player behind those 2. Ideally he's a 6th man. Brown could be the franchise 4 if he gets it. Trading small for big is a good deal. Plus, Butler wouldn't have been kept in LA once he hit FA anyway.
I believe a change of scenery will do wonders for Kwame. I've been telling people that all season, regardless of where he ends up. He's good for at least the 10 and 7 he had a couple of years ago and could turn into much, much more.
Oh yeah, Daniels likely starts at the point. I've always like AD, even when he was in SA. But don't think for a second that LA is done. I know of a move they are close to making for some more size and defense but I'll see if it goes down this weekend. The Brown deal was the first dominoe.
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