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    In fact De colo ha splayed more games with the spurs in one season than Joseph in two...

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    Bad timing on his part.

    Pop & RC should get on the phone and persuade Danny Ferry to take him in exchange for one ATLs 2 first-round picks (#17 or #18) in this upcoming June draft.

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    Joseph's 3 pt shooting at the NBA level is far too small a sample size to judge. His job isn't to shoot 3s as the backup point, it's to play defense and take care of the ball while making the occasional play. He's better at defense and taking care of the ball than De Colo, and whoever said he fouls less I believe is correct as well.

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    To me, it's obvious why Joseph got the nod over De Colo. Joseph embraced his coaching and not only accepted his assignment to Austin, but even asked for it once. De Colo bristled at even spending a day down there, and he can't keep his mouth shut about his role on the team. He's a rookie on a team with championship aspirations; how may minutes does he really expect to get? It feels like a Jack situation to me, in a way. He's so used to being the guy that he can't take being a role-player. If he had come into the league with the right at ude, he'd probably have Neal's spot right now.

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    He's a better creator, passer and shooter. For a point guard, I'd say those are pretty important things; in fact, they are THE most important things.
    CoJo is a MUCH better defender. His ability to come in and hound the ball for 94 feet is a skill that really nobody else on the team has at this point. When he's knocking down open shots - which he has through these playoffs thus far - it' s a no-brainer that he's of more value to second unit as currently constructed.

    Nando is better creator/passer, but not needed from PG on second unit at this time because Manu is running that show anyways.

    De Colo is still the higher ceiling prospect of the 2, but not the more valuable for 2013 team.

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    HAHAHAHA!!!!! Are you trolling right now? I literally laughed out loud at this. You're talking about a fair comparison and then you bring up the D League, now that's rich! But while I catch my breath, tell me how 3 point percentage over his NBA career wouldn't be fair?
    It's not the same. I didn't mean it's not fair to Cory to compare, it's not fair to either one. If you wanna argue that De Colo is a hetter shooter go ahead, you could point to the fact that he has better NBA percentages and all that. But he has a larger sample size and played more this year than Joseph.

    For Joseph you could point to his d league work, and yes i am very well aware that d league defenders aren't anywhere close to the defenders that he faces in the NBA, but the 3 pt line is the same distance and a hand in the face is a hand in the face.

    In all reality though they're both mediocre. Joseph is just way younger and has more potential.

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    Bad form by Nando, but I can understand his frustration if no one is telling him why.

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    Bad timing on his part.

    Pop & RC should get on the phone and persuade Danny Ferry to take him in exchange for one ATLs 2 first-round picks (#17 or #18) in this upcoming June draft.
    I think the Spurs would do that, but I don't think Atlanta would. Maybe if the Spurs moved their own first and a conditional pick next year too.

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    Bad form by Nando, but I can understand his frustration if no one is telling him why.
    You think no coach on the Spurs has said he needs to be the better defender and take care of the ball better to play? I'd be shocked if they haven't communicated that to him all season. He's just not going to tell his French press buddies that.

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    How long before Pop asks him if he thinks he's better than other players? lol

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    You think no coach on the Spurs has said he needs to be the better defender and take care of the ball better to play? I'd be shocked if they haven't communicated that to him all season. He's just not going to tell his French press buddies that.
    Possible. If he's just flat out lying I'd consider trading him, but one would figure minutes at the 2 will be opening up next season. OTOH one could just sign Hanga for a more traditional 2.

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    Although his talent level should be good enough, I think Atlanta would laugh them off the phone because he can't even get run ahead of Corey Joseph. Corey Joseph.
    You seem to have something against CJ. Why do you hate one of the hardest workers on the team?

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    Tbh, this is like when Jacque Vaughn was playing over Beno Udrih. Think about that one for a moment.
    Are you trying to support your argument?

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    Haha you either think Joseph is worst than Vaughn or you think Nando will ever be better than UDrih or at leat as good.

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    Possible. If he's just flat out lying I'd consider trading him, but one would figure minutes at the 2 will be opening up next season. OTOH one could just sign Hanga for a more traditional 2.
    I wouldn't consider it lying so much as just leaving out some info and venting in frustration. Also, it's possible the coaches didnt tell him that during the playoffs but have during the season and he's just leaving that part out. Either way, if Pop feels Joseph is the backup point then they might shop De Colo and see what they can get.

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    God damn it.

    Sup KBP

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    Yes, I'm talking about the NBA player that was out of work essentially the minute he left the Spurs, and the one who was immediately a starting NBA point guard when he left the Spurs.
    Is Sacramento still in the NBA?

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    What choice did he have? It was either that or put on a hat at McDonald's.
    He was getting his million no matter what. He could have refused his assignment (sort of), but even though he technically couldn't, he didn't have to embrace it.

    Dude is a good player and has proven himself in Europe and on national teams, why the would he just accept going down to the D League?
    He proved himself well enough to get a contract with the Spurs. He didn't prove himself at all in the NBA, and especially not in the Spurs' system. He didn't get it: The Spurs wouldn't have tried to assign him to the d-league unless they had real plans for him in the future. He wasn't ready for the Spurs; him refusing to go down to Austin wasn't going to change that. That Europe stuff wasn't going to fly; De Colo was easily the LEAST accomplished player on the team this season as far as the NBA goes.

    More than Corey Joseph, I'll tell you that.
    That was his mistake. Joseph is a veteran who looked good in the summer league. That was going to put him above a rookie. Even when De Colo "beat him out" in training camp, it was tentative at best. Joseph worked on his game, while De Colo complained about minutes. Joseph came back to the NBA with speed, defense and a mid-range/finishing game, while De Colo was still trying to figure out when to shoot the ball.

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    This isn't about Corey Joseph. You know what? I love that kid and want him on the team for years. He's great to have on the end of your bench - keyword end. It's Popo I'm mad at for these horrible decisions. Joseph is not a better player than De Colo to start with, but now De Colo doesn't even get an explanation as to why he doesn't get any playing time all of a sudden? Did Popo learn nothing from the Udrih situation?
    He won the spot fair and square...it really is that simple.

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    I'm thinking maybe I should post the stats of Beno Udrih and Tony Parker from when they faced off?
    If you would rather have Beno Udrih than Tony Parker now, that's your thing.

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    This isn't about Corey Joseph. You know what? I love that kid and want him on the team for years. He's great to have on the end of your bench - keyword end. It's Popo I'm mad at for these horrible decisions. Joseph is not a better player than De Colo to start with, but now De Colo doesn't even get an explanation as to why he doesn't get any playing time all of a sudden? Did Popo learn nothing from the Udrih situation?
    You're acting like the move hasn't paid off and is hurting the team. It's not. The Spurs are winning, and CoJo is playing well. He's made the move pay off. I don't see what the problem is, tbh.

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    This isn't about Corey Joseph. You know what? I love that kid and want him on the team for years. He's great to have on the end of your bench - keyword end. It's Popo I'm mad at for these horrible decisions. Joseph is not a better player than De Colo to start with, but now De Colo doesn't even get an explanation as to why he doesn't get any playing time all of a sudden? Did Popo learn nothing from the Udrih situation?
    Do you also think that James Anderson should still be on the team instead of Danny Green? That's a better comparison.

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    You're acting like the move hasn't paid off and is hurting the team. It's not. The Spurs are winning, and CoJo is playing well. He's made the move pay off. I don't see what the problem is, tbh.
    The WCF is the perfect time to call Pop out.

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    CoJo is a MUCH better defender. His ability to come in and hound the ball for 94 feet is a skill that really nobody else on the team has at this point. When he's knocking down open shots - which he has through these playoffs thus far - it' s a no-brainer that he's of more value to second unit as currently constructed.

    Nando is better creator/passer, but not needed from PG on second unit at this time because Manu is running that show anyways.

    De Colo is still the higher ceiling prospect of the 2, but not the more valuable for 2013 team.
    This. With Manu running the second team, what we need is someone whose primary skill is defending the other team's point guard. This puts CJ ahead of Nando. Probably, if Manu were hurt, Nando would get some time. But thankfully he isn't.

    As to how Nando is handling his role, we should be watching to see if he's cheering our team while in a suit or sitting there silently PO'ed.

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    COJO's energy and defense has been terrific. However, he was a net negative in game 2. He couldn't score and he didn't create. He did hit a crucial FT, so I give him that. If Cory continues to play like he did in game 2, this series may not be for him, but he has earned another chance imo.

    As far as Nando, he's not nearly as good as he thinks. He needs to sthu and give good minutes when his number is called.

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