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  1. #51
    Spur-taaaa TDMVPDPOY's Avatar
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    he needs repeat or 3peat to even touch jordan

    non consecutive years winning rings, he be outside top3

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    2009 Dwight Howard would be the 2nd best player in the NBA today, tbh..

    By far the best defensive player in the league, at peak athleticism, one of the 3 most athletic bigs in NBA history..playing in a perfect system with optimal spacing..

    Lebron averaged 38-8-8 in that series on great efficiency, not sure what else he could have done..
    This game symbolized that series in a nuts :

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...905200CLE.html

    5 bench points

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    2009 Dwight Howard would be the 2nd best player in the NBA today, tbh..

    By far the best defensive player in the league, at peak athleticism, one of the 3 most athletic bigs in NBA history..playing in a perfect system with optimal spacing..
    lol camping in the lane, and most of his blocks are goaltending anyway

    prime d12 will be exposed with the hack a scrub

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    he played well ... and i get your point, and at the time I agreed ..b ut after watching Dwight up close no way should a player of James caliber lose to a team led by Dwight & Turk ...

    great coaching by SVG though ...
    Cleveland had no answer for Howard that series. He was a monster in every game. Look at the stats in that series. Howard was unstoppable. Lebron was very good in that series, but not great. But Howard was the best player in that series. That's the reason the Cavs got Shaq the following season.

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    2009 Dwight Howard would be the 2nd best player in the NBA today, tbh..

    By far the best defensive player in the league, at peak athleticism, one of the 3 most athletic bigs in NBA history..playing in a perfect system with optimal spacing..

    Lebron averaged 38-8-8 in that series on great efficiency, not sure what else he could have done..
    Lebron wasn't as efficient as he normally was in that series. His usage was at an all-time high. Not his fault. He had to be perfect for them to have a chance simply because the Cavs had no answer for Howard who was GOAT like in that series, mainly because Big Z couldn't keep up with him.

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    But Lebron should ring this season. The compe ion isn't that tough and his role players have still played well overall even though Bosh and Wade aren't what they're capable of. No way the Pacers or Spurs should beat the Heat in a 7 game series.

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    losing to TOSB duncan will destroy watever he has achieved so far....

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    losing to TOSB duncan will destroy watever he has achieved so far....
    I think his credibility would take a huge hit losing to the Spurs.

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    His "legacy" will take an even bigger hit if he leaves in 2014 for somewhere like the Lakers tbh. The only way he leaves Miami with his legacy intact is if he goes back to Cleveland and gets them a ring.
    THIS

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    That was enough to win a ring last year... if you're looking for a severe drop in production, you have to start looking at Wade, tbh...
    If Lebron is carrying the load, yeah its enough this year tbh.. but i agree with you on Wade, which is why im baffled when hes considered the best SG in the leage..

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    Cleveland had no answer for Howard that series. He was a monster in every game. Look at the stats in that series. Howard was unstoppable. Lebron was very good in that series, but not great. But Howard was the best player in that series. That's the reason the Cavs got Shaq the following season.
    It wasn't just Dewey. Cleveland had no answer for the squadron of oversized outside shooters Orlando had. They just didn't have the size to deal with Turkeyglue, Rashard Lewis and the rest of them. It was just a bad matchup in every way.

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    His "legacy" will take an even bigger hit if he leaves in 2014 for somewhere like the Lakers tbh. The only way he leaves Miami with his legacy intact is if he goes back to Cleveland and gets them a ring.
    this. also, with the way Dan Gilbert keeps "winning" no.1 picks, Stern is setting it up nicely for a prodigal son story. But going to Lakers would fuel so much hatred.

    if the Kang doesn't ring this year, his reputation will take a hit. This is mainly his fault though, because of The Decision and the "not one, not two...not three...". Lebron set himself up for ridicule with how ridiculous that whole thing was. Still an amazing player though, and if he doesn't ring this year, he'll still have some more chances.

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    lebron fans sugar coating it

    if 27 game winning streak Heat fail to win it all, it would be a bigger collapse than both the 2006 Mavericks and the 2004 Lakers

    even the 2013 lakers failed season would not even compare to such a big failure of Lebron not ringing. At least Lakers have legit excuses and injuries.

    wade knee, what a load of bull

    Bosh always been like this. this is nothing new

    at their "tough" road to the championship: Bucks, Nate Robinson, Voguel, 37 year old Duncan

    Lebron would once again be the same old Lebronze and 2012 le a fluke

    not going to happen in my opinnion. but that's how big a failure it would be. It would be epic fail.

    IMO Heat winning this in 6 and will not only be more prepared to face Spurs but will come in as near underdogs which will help Stern extend a hand to carry them to the 2013 le.

    Heat le still prety much intact

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    On the opposite side of this hypothetical scenario, if Lebron wins again, he'll have done it with the worst supporting cast since 2006 Wade, tbh..

    Wade and Bosh have severely under performed, and Miami's role players can't shoot anymore..
    Explain the bolded, sir. The Heattles are stacked son.

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    this. also, with the way Dan Gilbert keeps "winning" no.1 picks, Stern is setting it up nicely for a prodigal son story. But going to Lakers would fuel so much hatred.

    if the Kang doesn't ring this year, his reputation will take a hit. This is mainly his fault though, because of The Decision and the "not one, not two...not three...". Lebron set himself up for ridicule with how ridiculous that whole thing was. Still an amazing player though, and if he doesn't ring this year, he'll still have some more chances.
    He'd be pretty smart to go to Cleveland tbh. Kyrie Irvine + Noel or whatever they get for the #1 is going to be better than a broken down Wade & Bosh by the 2014-2015 season.

    It'll be his "I'm Back" moment and I think that would really entice an egomaniac like LeBron to leave Miami.

    Agree with HH that his '11 chokejob and The Decision pretty much means he'll never surpass MJ (rightfully so tbh) but he could lose this year and he'll still end up being better than Bird/Magic/Hakeem and second bananas like Pippen & Kirby with a couple more les later in his career.

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    I don't understand the worst supporting cast argument tbh. Heat's path were the Bucks, Bulls without Rose, Indiana without Granger. OKC, Clippers and even the Lakers all operated with injuries. The Spurs though good also had some luck along the way so rrally Miami is facing the best team in the West by default. If they can't beat the Spurs while having HCA, they deserve harsh criticisms and will.go down as one of the most disappointing teams in history.

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    I don't think his rep will take a hit unless he doesn't make the Finals. He will have been to the Finals 3 years in a row and this year would've lost to the best team in the NBA not named Heat during their run as the big 3 in Miami.

    Duncan's rep if he wins a 5th is the more interesting question imo. I think it becomes impossible even for hating dip s to not have him extremely high up on the all time greats list (where he already is imo).

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    on LG most (Kobe fanbois) grudgingly respect Tim and hate on James tbh ... very insecure about Lebron.
    Only reason they're insecure about the King is because Nike told them to blow their load if a Kirby/LeBron finals ever happened.

    At this rate, it likely won't.

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    Orlando was a horrible, horrible matchup for that Cavaliers team, tbh. LeBron's circus shot at the end of game two is the only reason Cleveland didn't get swept. Cannot put that loss on him at all.
    I think you'all would've lost 1-4 without that circus shot.

    Magic were unconsious from the range. I wasn't surprised when the Lakers pounded them in the finals.

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