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Dream is better than Duncan by the slightest margin.
Duncan because I'm a homer.
Dream is better than Duncan by the slightest margin.
Shaq also insists to this day that he won a ring in 2004, so using his quotes probably doesn't help your argument
One of the most re ed poster in this forum tbh. And thats saying a lot.Shaq also insists to this day that he won a ring in 2004, so using his quotes probably doesn't help your argument
They don't even play the same position imho. Duncan can play C in the current league but he was more of a PF back in the 90s, Dream would probably eat him alive at C with better strength in a 90s style game. Both players have excellent footwork, Duncan has better all-round skills which include passing, dribbling and mid-range shooting so he can play PF and play well, while Dream was stuck at C his whole career.
even that version of Glide was putting up 19 7 and 5
This ends the debate right here.
I agree that Duncan is way better career wise, peak wise is debatable but Duncan is 2nd GOAT behind MJ and Olajuwon is just a solid top 10 candidate.
Not even close, tbh. Duncan owns Hakeem. I understand that this is mostly a troll thread, but seriously, it's kind of weak.
it's debatable he was better than D-Rob not close to TOSB
Olauwon at 37: 44 games, 10.3 PPG, 6.2 RPG
lmao
Dream had 13 straight years of 20+ ppg, Duncan had a streak of 8 and 9 total.
Dream had 9 seasons at 23+ ppg, Duncan had 3.
Dream had 4 seasons of 25+ ppg, Duncan had 1 and all of Dream's were higher than Duncan's 1.
Even with his low production latter years, Dream's career FG% is higher than Timmy's.
Dream has 14 years at .500 or greater, Timmy has 8.
Dream has a higher FT%.
Dream has a higher 3PT%.
Dream has higher FG attempted percentage and higher FG made numbers.
Timmy has averaged slightly more minutes: 35.8 to 35.7 for Dream.
Defensively?
Dream leads substantially in steals and blocks.
Duncan's best year for steals (0.9) is the same as Dream's worst year, when he was 37 years old.
Dream blocked an average of 3 or more shots per game for 9 years and his career average is 3.1 bpg.
Duncan's seasonal high was 2.9, a number Dream did not fall below until he was 35 years old.
Duncan's high in RPG is 12.9, a number Dream beat 4 times (his high was 14 rpg).
Playoffs?
Dream wins FG%, 3P%, FT%, PPG, steals, blocks, and PER.
Dream had playoff PPG averages over 25 7 times, Duncan averaged 25+ PPG in the playoffs twice.
Dream was over 30 ppg twice, Duncan never.
Duncan had some great rebounding playoffs, but he never approached Dream's high of 16.8 RPG.
Duncan led the NBA in Field Goals, Free Throws, Defensive Rebounds, and Total Rebounds, all in the 01-02 season, as well as twice in games played. He also led 3 times in Defensive Rating, 1 time in Offensive
Win Shares, 5 times in Defensive Win Shares, and twice in Win Shares. Total: 17.
Dream led the NBA in:
Games (4 years)
Field Goal Attempts (1)
Offensive Rebounds (1)
Defensive Rebounds (2)
Total Rebounds (2)
Blocks (2)
Rebounds Per Game (2)
Blocks Per Game (3)
Offensive Rebounding % (1)
Defensive Rebounding % (2)
Total Rebounding % (1)
Defensive Rating (5)
Defensive Win Shares (4)
Total: 30.
Totally different position. Hard to compare. IMO Olajuwon is in the top 3 centers of all time.
Hakeem had a ty supporting cast for the bulk of his career.
There's really nothing at all that Duncan does better than Hakeem. Hakeem is a better offensive player, a better defensive player, and a better rebounder. Not by much but he is slightly better at every aspect of the game.
I always laugh at the people think Hakeem was only a beast for two years, like it was some sort of fluke. They won the championships those two years because they finally had a reasonable supporting cast around him. The supporting cast wasn't even that great tbh.
Pace, dummy.
Nope. Thats called being the better player and having to carry a team morr than Duncan ever did.
When you talk about LeBron he's not so great because he only has one ring. So I guess 4>2 and Tim Duncan is better player than olajuwon.
Anyway I would pick TD. I'm sure we wouldn't have been a better team since 1997 with Olajuwon instead of Timmy.
Does Duncan lead that 94 team to a ring?PELTON'S RATING: 8.9
Position: C | Age: 31
Result: Won NBA Finals | Finals MVP
GP - 23 | PPG - 28.9 | RPG - 11.0 | APG - 4.3 | BPG - 4.0 | SPG - 1.7 | TS% - 56.8 | USG - 31.4
The year before he was reunited with college teammate Clyde Drexler, Olajuwon dragged a Rockets team without a second star to the first of back-to-back championships. Olajuwon averaged more than twice as many points in the playoffs as Houston's second-leading scorer (Vernon Maxwell, 13.8 points per game), the highest such ratio ever for a championship team. But the Rockets' fleet of outside shooters ideally suited Olajuwon's game, and he dominated the defensive end, becoming the only player to average 4.0 blocks per game in a Finals run.
Houston needed Olajuwon to be great every night, and he
scored at least 20 points in 22 of 23 playoff games, including a pair of 40-point efforts. In the NBA Finals, Olajuwon outdueled Patrick Ewing of the New York Knicks, averaging 26.1 points while holding Ewing to 18.9 PPG on 36.3 percent shooting in the Rockets' seven-game triumph.
If pace and winning doesn't matter, then by your logic Wilt and Oscar Robertson should be the two undisputed GOAT's based on inflated stats.
prime Oscar easily GOAT guard by avging 30+ ppg 10+ apg for 5 years, 4 in a row and Wilt easily GOAT center by avging 21+ reb 20+ ppg 10 straight seasons and having a season of 23.8 ppg 24.3 reb 8.6 ast
pace matters, winning matters, playing for whatever team matters, Duncan could have easily put up those Hakeem stats if he had a more medicore rosters and had to do more. Timmy never took more than 18 shots a game for a season, Hakeem took over 18 shots for at least 5 seasons with multiple 20+ FGA, has a career average 1.6 higher attempts while only averaging 1.6 more ppg.
If you look at PER, Duncan has a higher career PER and multiple 27+ PER seasons while Hakeem has none over 26. Also, Hakeem has a worse Offensive and Defensive rating than Timmy and lower winshares. Hakeem has the edge on D and looks pretty similar on O, but again his pace was much higher, in their primes Hakeem's pace was 101.2 compared to Timmy's 90.0. They played in different systems and you can't really compare them stat by stat and expect one more block or point per game to determine who the better player was. That's where accolades come in.
Timmy is the more efficient offensive player and won a lot more than Hakeem did, despite Hakeem having multiple HOFs during his top 10 all-time-worthy career. Hakeem was a great player but has twice as less rings as Timmy.
Hakeem had a broken Ralph Sampson and Clyde Drexler at the end of his career
Hakeem had a broken Ralph Sampson and Clyde Drexler at the end of his career
He was more efficient on offense, PER - player efficiency rating, he was more efficient on offense, and Drexler put up 21 ppg 7 reb 4 apg, 22 PER and had a TS% of over 61% in the 95 season that he got traded there.
and in the playoffs Clyde put up 20 ppg 7 reb 5 ast and led the league in offensive win shares in that 95 playoffs, where Hakeem repeated.
Hakeem was dominant for both of his 2 les but let's not act like he did it all by himself and the fact is Timmy still has twice as many rings and more FMVPs.
And Duncan had a Prime Parker (Potential HOF), Prime Ginobli (Definite), Bruce Bowen got his mofockin number retired
In regards to not doing it by himself, after Sampson, who did Hakeem have until Drexler as his supporting cast?
The year before he was reunited with college teammate Clyde Drexler, Olajuwon dragged a Rockets team without a second star to the first of back-to-back championships. Olajuwon averaged more than twice as many points in the playoffs as Houston's second-leading scorer (Vernon Maxwell, 13.8 points per game), the highest such ratio ever for a championship team. But the Rockets' fleet of outside shooters ideally suited Olajuwon's game, and he dominated the defensive end, becoming the only player to average 4.0 blocks per game in a Finals run.
he still won less, tbh.And Duncan had a Prime Parker (Potential HOF), Prime Ginobli (Definite), Bruce Bowen got his mofockin number retired
In regards to not doing it by himself, after Sampson, who did Hakeem have until Drexler as his supporting cast?
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