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Yeah? I admit I don't really know of how many Spurs games get aired in Austin and that UT does dominate. But in terms of my travels to Austin the second most common merchandise I find available and being worn behind UT is the Spurs.
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A town of almost three quarter of amillion is strickly Mavs territory
Yeah? I admit I don't really know of how many Spurs games get aired in Austin and that UT does dominate. But in terms of my travels to Austin the second most common merchandise I find available and being worn behind UT is the Spurs.
Which is larger, Austin of the entire states of Minnesota and North Dakota, South Dakota and Iowa?
You do realize that the Minneapolis-St. Paul MSA is about double the size of the San Antonio MSA, no? That is borne out in the TV household data linked above.
From my time spent in Austin, I concur about the loyalties of the that market. Just because it is an hour away from SA, that doesn't really mean anything. Austin has a transient population with plenty of people from Dallas, Houston, California, NY and the rest of the world.
sickdsm what is the ticket price for a top front row seat to a TWolves game?
The other issue that hasn't really made its way into this thread are the per capital personal income and disposable income stats. I'm too lazy to do a search, but from what I recall, SA is well below the league market average in those categories and that is extremely significant when it comes to attracting advertising $.
SA's major corporate base consists of companies one can count using the digits on one hand (USAA, SBC, Valero, Clear Channel, and HEB).
True, you don't see any Dell, Freescale, AMD or Samsung money going to San Antonio, for example.
SA has a small market, much smaller than Minn-St.Paul and I'd wager that SA's per capital income stats are significantly less than that market as well. So SA has a much less attractive media market than Minn-St.Paul, for example.
Wolves fan needs to find another angle. Quick.
Here's my take, to sort of get the thread back on track. I think to the foreign players, basketball is the end. To the american players, basketball is a means to an end, the money, the bling, the shoe contract, the hip hop lifestyle. The foreign players are hungrier, MUCH more team oriented, and better able to accept coaching.
According to the 2000 census, ND < Austin < SD in population.
Combine all the states, and subtract Austin fans who follow Dallas and Houston teams.
The Spurs region is south Texas and south Texas only -- and their draw in that area is blunted by Houston and Dallas. Take it from someone who has lived in San Antonio, Austin and the Rio Grande Valley.
500 ft. drive to straightaway center field.
I for one love the injection of foreign talent in the NBA and the fact that they have recently outplayed some of the best the US has to offer. I hope that it will send a message to basketball hopefuls in the US that it does pay to learn the fundamentals of the sport and team play. That you can be successful even if you arent the most athletically gifted and that if you are gifted you can be downright fearsome if you learn to play the right way.
Foreigners are the key to the overall success of the NBA. If this trends continues, basket could rival soccer for world dominance in terms of most popular sport. This is something no other American sport could ever dream of doing.
The dropoff from the Mps area is like las vegas. Nothing outside of it. Get the picture? Sure, to the east its entirely different but your in Bucks territory as soon as you cross the river.
Last i checked i still watch the wolves on tv and i'm no where NEAR the listed metro area's, still close enough to drive for the weekend though. Its a very limited base. Anything north is entirely hockey and the vikings are a season round draw. I you not, even during last years WCF run the day after the game its not unheard of to listen to a sports show where the coverage is equal to the wolves and the vikings draft/offseason plans. Meanwhile the "small" market Spurs have a monopoly. Did you divide your figures by four for the wolves? My main gripe is IDIOTS say "spurs are a small market team so they can't recruit FA's"
WTF? Since when do the size of the SUBURBS dictate what a FA wants? You think Odom chose Miami because they had more walmarts in Palmdale or Q chose Phoenix because there's more Home Depots?
San Antonio has a very nice winter compared to ALOT of places.
San Antonio has a very big downtown district. There isn't too many happaning clubs in the suburbs.
San Antonio residents don't have an income tax.
There is no ing way that free agents don't want to come to san antonio bc of the size of the immediate suburbs.
Pic: I don't know off hand. I do know the best ticket i got i ended buying from a ticket broker for $145 a piece, they were $90 seats. Those mofo's ended up being at the top of the lower deck. It was a TNT game against the Mavs though two years ago. Its not very common to sell out, or at the very least it takes a while to do in the playoffs.
I agree Smeagol. Its not entirely a great thing though. You see in baseball as well as this years finals that MVP or all star starters votes come strickly for the foriegn player, from his homecountry. Thats why Yao, even if he never dominates, will always be a legitamte ASG starter.
No one ever mentions the enormous fan base the spurs have enjoyed based on having a roster of international players.
Tell me this -- would you say SA is more or less attractive to an inner-city black youth than New York?My main gripe is IDIOTS say "spurs are a small market team so they can't recruit FA's"
No, you wouldn't.Elton Brand signed an offer sheet with Miami instead of SA because Nike offered him several more million dollars on his shoe contract if he played for a LARGE MARKET TEAM.You think Odom chose Miami because they had more walmarts in Palmdale or Q chose Phoenix because there's more Home Depots?
So the answer to your question is actually yes.
You're welcome.
CBA that does not let players move? bull
if this is true then please explain to me how players can be traded and say I am not going to report to the new team (like Zo or J Jackson) and then go to a contender for peanuts? The CBA is a joke and everyone knows it, until they close this loophole it will always be a joke.
if this was true, atlanta would have had their pick of every free agent out there. atlanta is a big market with a rich black culture, both urban and suburban. so, it must also have alot to do with the franchise, and the way its run.
and look at how badly toronto has done. going so far as to say "we picked charlie villanueva because we thought he might like to play here". i would think international players would be perfect there? (because of the culture) maybe they've just done a bad job?
i'm always amazed to hear tony parker and his brother say that when they were kids growing up... they'd either be "the spurs or the bulls" when playing ball, in french playgrounds. now the spurs are leading the way with how to identify and handle foreign players.
maybe that makes the spurs very attractive. seeing guys like manu and tony starting in the nba. (to young players and kids) because i doubt that markets have anything to do with it anymore.
and when american kids... black, white or with accents... start playing in american playgrounds dreaming of being manu or tony. once that transition happens, none of that "black urban culture" or "white suburban culture" thing is gonna matter. -- its up to the nba to market those guys, especially if they're winners.
They're signing Johnson, are they not?if this was true, atlanta would have had their pick of every free agent out there.
And obviously the franchise itself has something to do with it -- but all else being equal, which city would be preferred?
they're overpaying for johnson (thank god) but they have that buttload of money to offer him, because no one else was choosing them as a destination of choice. if all things were equal, the knicks with their payroll and large market (complete with urban and suburban dream settings) would have won the last 5 championships, no?
but i do understand where you're coming from... especially from the american player's angle. i think its also got alot to do with the mainstream media coming more from the coasts than anywhere else.
Last edited by constantstate; 07-18-2005 at 08:35 AM.
Well, if Phoenix doesn't match perhaps -- otherwise that becomes his market price.they're overpaying for johnsonAll things are not equal -- the Knicks never have any cap space. As it is, they manage to get whom they want with some regularity through trades including sign and trades.because no one else was choosing them as a destination of choice. if all things were equal, the knicks with their payroll and large market (complete with urban and suburban dream settings) would have won the last 5 championships, no?
All things aren't equal in Atlanta either -- it's a basket case of a franchise. But then you take into account where things were relatively equal between SA and a larger market -- Brand, Kidd, Murray, Nesby, Malone -- where did these guys end up?
Whom have we ended up signing as free agents? Foreigners, older vets and marginal young guys for the most part.
It's worked out well, so I'm not complaining about it at all. The cap and good management can go a long way towards evening things out. I think it's no coincidence that some of the best run franchises are in small markets -- Spurs, Jazz, Pacers, etc., and some of the worst are in large markets where oncourt performance isn't quite as critical to the bottom line -- New York, Golden State, Atlanta.
Last edited by ChumpDumper; 07-18-2005 at 09:01 AM.
Excellent point, however dedicated a fan as I may be it doesnt change the fact that I am able to view but a few games a year legitimately through a TV and I'm sure the same holds in many other countries. The NBA is still an American league and thus most of the $$$s to be pumped into a franchise are from the US supporters as there are limits to what international fans have access to.No one ever mentions the enormous fan base the spurs have enjoyed based on having a roster of international players.
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