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The US response to dealing with threats was by and large an inactive one. Just because there were a couple bases in the region doesn't mean much. Again and again when the US was attacked by Islamic terrorists the US response was weak or nonexistent.
Dude, the point being that the United States policy of being overactive in that portion of the world is hardly a "Do Nothing" policy.
The US response to dealing with threats was by and large an inactive one. Just because there were a couple bases in the region doesn't mean much. Again and again when the US was attacked by Islamic terrorists the US response was weak or nonexistent.
Well, before 9/11 terrorism was a crime, not an act of war. And you don't send your army after criminals. Now that the scope of terrorism has changed, so has the way it is being delt with. Even so, this active policy isn't working either. Until America gets its hands off the hive, its going to get stung.
Perhaps the US policy of viewing it as a crime led to the ineffective response prior to 9-11.
Oh people can come up with statistics to prove anything, 14% of all people know that.
I would not argue with that.
you negotiate, i'll get the bug spray.
haha... too funny
you know that was the joke , right?
I OWN SMACK DADDY
The Taliban movement was formed in 1993-1994 by Afgan Islamic clerics and Students, many of them from mujahedin (the term refers to an Islamic guerrilla; literally "one who fights in the cause of ISLAM" who had moved into the western areas of Pakistan to study in Islam seminaries ("Madrassas") They are mostly ultra-orthodox Sunni Muslims who pratice a form of islam, Wahhabism similar to that practiced in Saudi Arabia.
The Taliban movement is led by an inner Shura (consulation) council headed
by a mujahedin fighter-turned religious scholar named Muhammad Umar.
MY SOURCE CONGRESSIONAL RESEARCH SERVICE THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS
http://fpc.state.gov/do ents/organization/7654.pdf
"In the 1980's when the CIA mounted the largest covert action program in its history to support afgan rebels (some of which became the taliban) (my words) against the soviets the pakistan agency served as the critical link between the CIA and the rebels at the front lines.
The intelligence service of Pakistan, crucial American ally in the war on terorism, has had an indrect but longstanding relationship with Al Quadea, turning a blind eye for years on the growing ties between OBL and the Taliban...
By 1996 Mr Bin Laden, who had been in Afghanistan in the 1980's, helpinf
to pay for arab fighters to battle the Soviets, returned and quickly forged a close alliance with the taliban.
SOURCE
2002 Pulitzer Winner article by James Risen and Judith Miller(She is in jail
now)
for protecting
Karl Rove or
her CIA connect
ions
Oct 29, 2001.
http://www.pulitzer.org/year/2002/ex...ks/102901.html
Manny
suggest you read the articles
The one from the NYT mentions the memo of Michael Sheehan, State Department chief of counterterrorism to Clinton calling for action against terrorism and calling Pakistan the key. it landed with a resounding thud.
, and on another note from 5 years ago
one pipeline has been built and the end of it is outside of our Air Base in Turkey.
Work/continues on another one through Afganistan.
UNOCAL does good work.lets sell it to CHINA
I'm afraid until France,Germany,China, Italy, etc and the "Capitials of Europe" get blown up, other countries are not going to join us in the War on terror,
and even Spain bent over and sent up a white flag.
France is 10% muslim so I think they are safe.
Other countries are not going to give us more than lip service and a good PR front in our War on terror, unless it is in their best intrest-like Pakistans, our good buddy.
sorry paste and cut does not work here at work
BTW. Smackdaddy where were you in 1980?
Bet you were not in Europe reading
classified material.
Therefore go take some history classes at UTSA
one of the posters on this board teaches them
or ask AHF for some of his notes from A&M
Last edited by AFE7FATMAN; 07-21-2005 at 03:16 AM.
I agree with much of what people are saying in this topic. Was suicide bombing existing in Iraq prior to USA invasion? Nope. Things have become much more violent there, than ever before. Hussein was a dictator yes, but at least while he was in power, there was control. He maintained control over the people. Now, there is a vacuumn of power, and I fear that when USA leaves, if USA ever leaves, it will only become more dangerous.
Also, I truly do not understand WHY people think this war is to make America more safe? From my perspective, this war can only give Arabs and Muslims one more reason to feel that USA is at war with Islaam. As proof in this article, it also radicalises some. Bush and his supporters perhaps will say, if we fight them in Iraq we will not need to fight them in America - but I think Iraq is simply creating more problems, and I think that in the future, we will be haunted by this.
The Middle East is much like a spider web (I do not mean this in an insult way as I am origins there!). If you toy or bother with one part, the rest will be affected as well. The situation of the Israel-Palestinian conflict combined with the American prescence in Saudi Arabia is partially what radicalised Usama bin Ladin. He has stated in his fatwas, that he wishes for the USA to be involved in the Middle East, in multi front wars, in order to exhaust them and weaken them. It seems that Bush is giving to him, exactly that which he wishes
There was much more violence when Saddam Hussein was in power. He just kept it behind closed doors -- where he stored the plastics shredders and rape rooms.I agree with much of what people are saying in this topic. Was suicide bombing existing in Iraq prior to USA invasion? Nope. Things have become much more violent there, than ever before. Hussein was a dictator yes, but at least while he was in power, there was control. He maintained control over the people. Now, there is a vacuumn of power, and I fear that when USA leaves, if USA ever leaves, it will only become more dangerous.
Also, I truly do not understand WHY people think this war is to make America more safe? From my perspective, this war can only give Arabs and Muslims one more reason to feel that USA is at war with Islaam. As proof in this article, it also radicalises some. Bush and his supporters perhaps will say, if we fight them in Iraq we will not need to fight them in America - but I think Iraq is simply creating more problems, and I think that in the future, we will be haunted by this.
The Middle East is much like a spider web (I do not mean this in an insult way as I am origins there!). If you toy or bother with one part, the rest will be affected as well. The situation of the Israel-Palestinian conflict combined with the American prescence in Saudi Arabia is partially what radicalised Usama bin Ladin. He has stated in his fatwas, that he wishes for the USA to be involved in the Middle East, in multi front wars, in order to exhaust them and weaken them. It seems that Bush is giving to him, exactly that which he wishes
As long as it wasn't Americans....who cares right?
Hey after 9/11 GW had a list of he was crossing out.
in Saddams name was on that list. No more ing around..
The twin tower sites.. which once had projected on them David and Tim in 99...
lay smouldering for months...
AMERICA YEA .. BUSH ED SADDAMS ASS UP THAT ER.
where the is Saddam now? Playing rock scissors paper that's where!
War radicalized most Foreign Fighters in Iraq.
YEP
Talk to the Americans there.
Talk to the Brits
The war sure made a lot of them radical
The guys on the other side
Nope most were radical to begin with.
Don't worry- I am going on record and state that within 18-24 months or less
we will be out of IRAQ, for the most part, unless we stay and provide some security for the oil fields.
Than we will see if the "Established" government
oops thats elected, can hold its own. I bet we see a Civil War,
Poor Kurds - Will they get their own country?
or am I wrong and we will help get them their own country.
What will "Pakastan" do?, considering our new friend India?
After this is over, please come back and convince me the the deaths
of 3-4000 Americans and the deaths of, however many IRAQ's ,was worth
it.
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